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Re: Michael Wolf's Samples in Italy

From: Gildas Bourdais <GBourdais@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 13:53:37 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 16:32:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Michael Wolf's Samples in Italy


>Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:10:55 +0200
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Edoardo Russo <edoardo.russo@torino.alpcom.it>
>Subject: Re: Michael Wolf's
>Samples in Italy

>>From: Adriano Forgione - Futuro Snc <mbalien@tin.it>
>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Michael Wolf's Samples
>>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 16:47:52 +0100

>>Michael Wolf is right
>>by Adriano Forgione (Italy)

>>I must say that the two above laboratories are extremely
>>specialized: the first, being the Chemical Department of the
>>University of Pisa, whose director is Corrado Malanga,

>Well, not exactly so.

>Corrado Malanga is not, and has never been, "director" of the
>Chemical Department of the University of Pisa. He is (has
>always  been) just a "researcher" there. Anybody may check on
>the Pisa University website.

>Shouldn't we add that he's been a UFO buff of the alien kind
>since he was a teenager (nothing bad in that: I've been, too),
>as well as a member of the council of the UFO organization
>Centro Ufologico Nazionale (CUN) since 1979 through 1998, when
>he chose to leave because his own "new age" ideas have become
>much too far out even for that group?


Here is an interesting new angle of attack against the
information given by Adriano Forgione. To me it sounds very much
like a classical ad hominem attack. If you cannot attack a fact,
attack the man!

This subject of Michael Wolf's samples took a bad turn
from the start, I am afraid.

We already had the mistake of Forgione in writing percentages of
silicone (he does not know first grade maths, etc), then the
interrogation on the use of silicones by the aliens (they should
know better), and now we have a violent personal attack against
the Italian scientist Corrado Malanga. BTW, the other lab is
completely forgotten in the process.

At least, he is a university researcher, if not a director.
Good to know that. It will be interesting to have communication
of his scientific report. Why don't we just wait for it?

Now we learn that he is a "UFO buff of the alien kind". What
does that mean? He thinks there are aliens around? Does this
remark imply that it is sign of mental weakness, or what?

He has been member of CUN, and has quit: what relevance is there
with the subject? It is an interesting side information, though,
about ufology in Italy: some people quit CUN because they are
too "new age", whereas some people have quit CUN before because
they were "psycho-socio" opponents, which was the case of
Edorardo Russo, I believe. Correct me if I am mistaken. Overall,
it looks like a good point for CUN!

<snip>

>>Maurizio Baiata and myself wish that the analysis be conducted
>>most secretely and that even the laboratories would not know the
>>origin of the samples, neither what Wolf had told us.

>You'd have us believe that you gave your pal Corrado Malanga
>those allegedly alien fragments without even telling him what it
>was and where they came from?

I gathered that Forgione did not inform Malanga of the
percentage of silicone given by Wolf himself. Of course, Malanga
must have understood he was studying an alleged UFO fragment.
Does that invalidate his study?
<snip>

>>They are
>>opposed to Sims' results and match entirely with Wolf's
>>statements.

>Bingo! You mean that now Corrado may add another medal to his
>collection: "tougher than Derril Sims"? Did he still need that?

Forgione explained that test arranged by Derrel Sims probably did
not use sufficent equipment to find such a small percentage
of impurities. We are sinking in caricature here.

>Corrado Malanga is author of a book about an Italian abductee,
>where he (Malanga) has some very wild claims about what the
>motives and acts of alien invaders would be; but his most
>interesting discovery therein is the fact that you can easily
>tell whether an hypnotized abductee is telling truth or lie by
>giving him the command to raise either the right or the left
>arm.

Same remark as before!

What are the "wild claims"? That there are aliens around? That
they come from another dimension? Please develop the point. But
again it has nothing to do with the question at stake: a
chemical analysis of samples.

>He was also co-author (with his former friend, and present
>commercial partner, Roberto Pinotti of CUN fame) of another book
>where BVM (Beloved Virgin Mary) apparitions are credited to
>aliens, too.

Explanation:

To study the event of Fatima in relation to UFOs
is a sure sign of derangement of the mind!

Well, for those who don't know the case, please read a good book
about it. I recommend the complete, unabridged, testimony of the
professor of medecine Almeida Garrett, who professed to be an
atheist, and described a clear cut UFO. I have it in several
French books. In case it would not be available in English, I
would be glad to give it, both in French and in my own
translation. Such reading is a must in order to go to any
advanced study on UFOs. Many thanks for Malanga and Pinotti to
have done that.

>He's also been the oft-quoted source of claims that his chemical
>analysis of the ill-famed Santilli's "alien autopsy" film did
>confirm it was really dated 1947 (and Corrado was one of the
>very first to see it, going on public record to tell he thought
>those aliens were akin to birds, since an "egg" had been found
>inside SUE's belly).

The question of the "alien autopsy" film is still very much an
open one, especially after the information given recently on
this list by Bob Shell! (McAndrews saw the film in the USAF
archives). Now, could you explain what you are talking about
regarding "an egg in SUE's belly"??

<snip>

>No wonder Corrado might have confirmed any "ET" nature
>of any 0.0+% of anything: since 1984, he's been claiming the
>Ubatuba fragments were positively shown to contain
>non-terrestrial isotopes. Didn't you ever read that in the
>known literature about that case? You hadn't asked Malanga
>(whom also publicly said that J. Vallee had intentionally
>"lost" the only remaining Ubatuba sample).

Didn't you read the outstanding book of Paul Hill which shows
convincingly that, yes, the Ubatuba samples were extraordinary?
And that, possibly, some of them had been destroyed purposely.
As for Vallee, it's quite a possibility! His excuse : he was
caught in the middle of a May 68 demonstration and dropped it in
the gutter. A UFO debris lost by Vallee in a Paris gutter!!

<snip>

>Last August, Paola Harris and myself visited doctor Wolf in
>his flat in Connecticut and spent two days with him, having
>the chance to verify his degrees and credentials.

>I feel confident that you did "verify his degrees and
>credentials" with a greater accuracy than Malanga's ones.

That last blow is below the belt! Are you insinuating here that
Malanga has fake diplomas? Please explain.

Gildas Bourdais

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