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Re: Regression Hypnosis: ...?

From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:12:54 +0200 (MET DST)
Fwd Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:08:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Regression Hypnosis: ...?

>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Regression Hypnosis: ...?
>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:02:03 -0400

>>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
>>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>>Subject: Re: Regression Hypnosis: ...?

>>Of course it's quite OK to have doubts, but the doubts go both
>>ways. As I understand it, a significant fraction of the
>>anecdotal evidence that has most impressed those who have
>>hypno-regressed large numbers of apparent UFO abductees,
>>concerning the apparent reality of the experiences, comes from
>>what was reported while under hypnosis. Here I'm referring to
>>certain particular details of the experience which agree with
>>those told by other abductees, when the abductee in question was
>>unaware that any others had ever reported the same. Two examples
>>of this that come immediately to my mind have been disclosed
>>often enough that by now they are certainly no longer generally
>>unknown: the rounded walls of the room and its general
>>illumination without any light source being apparent. Various
>>other details, I believe, remain purposely undisclosed so that
>>they can still be utilized for corroboration.

>Jim, thanks for mentioning this. I was going to bring it up

>You asked how many of these details come from hypnosis. Most of
>them, I'd think. One other that comes to mind is that abductees
>seen working with the aliens are reported to wear blue uniforms.
>Abductees also discuss the way the aliens' skin feels -- the big
>and little grays feel different. (Full details in "Secret Life.")
>And then there are Budd's 35 strikingly similar samples of alien
>"writing," which have been supplied both ways -- from abductees
>who've been hypnotized, and by others who remember the "writing"
>consciously. (These are supposed to be studied by JUFOS, if the
>journal ever publishes again.)

>The hypnosis question is far more complex than you'd guess from
>some of the discussion here. If you consider each hypnosis
>session with an abductee as a separate event, then there's no way
>to determine whether what comes out is accurate, even if the
>abduction had been real. But if you look at data from many
>hypnosis sessions, then patterns supposedly emerge.

>In his skeptical book on abductions, Philip Klass cites a study
>of police hypnosis by Martin Orne, telling us all to read it to
>see why hypnosis can't be used to retrieve information. But (not
>for the first time, alas), Klass misrepresents his data, as I
>discovered when I looked up Orne's report, and discovered that it
>doesn't say what Klass tells us it does. It says that testimony
>soley derived from hypnosis should never be used in court (and
>can't be, in many states where laws have been passed to ban it).
>It also warns that data gathered with hypnosis may not be
>accurate. But it also says that hypnosis used during a police
>investigation may prove useful, as long as the information
>gathered can be corroborated by other means.

>In abduction research, the patterns that emerge from many
>abduction accounts arguably serve as a kind of corroboration. Let
>me ask those who've expressed skeptical views of hypnosis: What
>would your reaction be, if you'd been present at several hypnosis
>sessions before "Secret Life" came out, and heard some of the
>abductees describe the feel of the aliens' skin in exactly the
>same way, without any prompting?

>Greg Sandow

Hi Greg, Jim and others,

I am happy to see you and others defend the use of hypnosis, not
just as a therapeutic tool but also as a tool for investigation.
When an investigative tool produces the same results over and
over again and when other tools, such as in this case conscious
memory, supply corroberative evidence, then it is entirely
scientific to say that this investigative tool has at least some

The conclusion can only be that the questioning of regressive
hypnosis as an investigative tool does not originate in its
scientific usability, but either in lack of familiarity with the
data or in the disturbing nature of the material that emerges
from its use.

           /    Met vriendelijke groet/Best wishes    \
                      Henny van der Pluijm

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