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Re: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash

From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:01:27 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:38:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash

>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:22:00 +0100
>To: UFO Updates <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Hayes <jhayes@cableinet.co.uk>
>Subject: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash

>Can anyone help Donald with the query below please?

>From: ARTGUY6331@aol.com
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:53:41 EDT
>Subject: Dreamy Draw/Cave Creek Crash
>To: webmaster@ufoinfo.com

>I read something about a crash in the late 40S early 50S in the
>Phoenix Metro area, specifically at the Dreamy Draw Dam and
>wreckage at Cave Creek. Do you know how i could get more info or
>the original article?

>Thank you

Dear John, Ron and/or Donald:

That's a tough order.

I have two Cave Creek,AZ incidents, one in recent years and one
on 14OCT47. The 1947 incident didn't involve a crash or even a
landing however. 2 pilots plus a third observer claim they saw a
3 foot "flying wing" headed to the Southeast at 380 MPH; at 8 -
10 thousand feet altitude.

Walt Andrus himself, as a child, and numerous others saw 4
silver saucers fly East to West, flipping over in sequence, on
15AUG1948. Again no crash or landing. MUFON Journal #197 and
also Ronald Story, Encyclopedia/UFOs.

I do have a saucer landing report at Tintown ( near Bisbee ) on
27JUN47, but that's far Southeast of Phoenix, while Cave Creek
is to the North. Ref. Lorenzen: F.S. the Startling Evidence,
paperback pg 17.

A Navy pilot reported the 30JUN47 incident, somewhere South of
the Grand Canyon. Here two 12-foot saucers made violent
maneuvers and landed. Ref. Vallee/Magonia case #59.

The only "crash" incident here, might be the well known case of
21MAY53. According to Leonard Stringfield, some engineer was
taken on a blacked out bus to a place he reckons was near
Kingman, AZ. He reported a 30-foot crashed saucer, plus a 4-foot
dead humanoid hidden in a military tent. See Stringfield:
Situation Red, page 208.

There is another mention in Jerome Clark's Encyclopedia (vol. 3
for 1960-1979) on page 131 if my records are correct. I believe
Raymond Fowler touched on it too, but cannot recall the exact

Hoping this helps..

- Larry Hatch

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