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Re: First 'Grey' Report?

From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:28 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:44:41 -0400
Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:45:50 PDT

>>From: Jesus Millan Arias <jesusmillan@mx3.redestb.es>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:19:55 +0200

>>Thanks for your information. It is very good, but I'm looking
>>for stories or 'tales' with not only "dwarfs" (like the two
>>first reports from Larry). The report from Jerry is very
>>interesting and close to my interest but it lacks some physical
>>features.

>>I know ancient descriptions of bizarre dwarf-beings in some
>>cultures (p.ex Jinnas or Irish Little People), but I would like
>>to know when the was first (pre-60's) description of a 'typical'
>>grey: big black slanted eyes, big inverted-pear head, "dwarf",
>>thin legs, thin mouth........

>Jesus,

>There are, as you know, many stories told by modern abductees of
>encounters with gray entities going back to the 1950s and even
>earlier.  How reliable are they?  I went back to find if there
>are accounts told, reported, and published before the modern
>abduction era (dating from 1965, when the Hills's experience
>first saw print in a Boston newspaper). My point was to
>eliminate any possibility of confabulation or false memory. The
>only account of a gray alien, it turns out, that comes even
>close is the alleged Austria encounter which I discussed.  As
>you correctly point out, the match is not exact, only general,
>and there are serious problems with the evidence for its
>occurrence, which is effectively nonexistent.

>A pre-1965 exact description of a classic gray entity, if it
>exists, is out there still waiting to be found.  Until (or
>unless) it is, I'd urge healthy caution -- another word is
>skepticism -- in investigators as they sift through
>retrospective abductee testimony.

>Jerry Clark


Hi, Jerry

Further to the above and to my posted reply on this question.
The Dar-es-Salaam 'grey' from l950 is as you say a modern report
that post dates l965 by a long way. The Venezuela gynaecologist
case from August l965 has always intrigued me because although
the witnesses did not see a grey they met aliens professing to
know of them and describing their activities.

Do you also know when the Villa Santina, Italy case was actually
first documented. I realised - and mentioned in my posted note -
that this was reported after its alleged occurrence in August
l947 but when? Here the entities were about as like the greys as
any early case I know.

Certainly in my study of British cases there are no obvious
greys at all until well into the l980's. Most - even
hypnotically pursued - CE 4 s until about l985 had more human
like or Nordic beings. The classic Telford encounter (pursued in
l982/l983 with hypnosis on all three witnesses) produced
different entity types with each witness and one of these was
somewhat grey like.  It is all the more apparent when you see
how - after the massive import of greys into British culture
circa l987 (via the books of Strieber and Hopkins) the previous
pattern of British aliens virtually disappeared overnight and
now you are hard pressed NOT to find greys. There has to be
significance in this. I talked it over with Budd Hopkins and he
says that the greys were always in Brirtish cases but witnesses
never knew it because the more friendly alien types acted as
cover to protect the subconscious, Well, maybe. But equally, it
has to be possible that the form the entity takes in a story is
culturally modified. Thats my bet.

I have delved a bit into this in my next book - pathetically
titled by my publisher 'The complete book of Aliens and
Abductions' (out in August from Piatkus). It has sections
looking at the timeline of alien development and also around 20
country sections looking from culture to culture at how alien
reports have developed. You see from that how Britain is not
alone at adopting greys very late in the day - not after the
Betty & Barney Hill affair (which presumably had much bigger
impact in the US) but after  the l987 watershed following
Strieber's global publicity.

They do say that once is coincidence and twice a conspiracy.
Here it is safer to say that there is more going on that just an
invasion by greys and that something is occurring at the level
of human consciousness on a cultural level.

Jenny Randles


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