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Re: First 'Grey' Report?

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 11:31:21 PDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:10:03 -0400
Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?

>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:28 +0100

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 99 17:45:50 PDT

>>>From: Jesus Millan Arias <jesusmillan@mx3.redestb.es>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>>>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:19:55 +0200

Hi, Jenny,

I'm glad that you're finally connected to the Internet and able
to participate in list discussions.  Your vast knowledge should
help to elevate the discourse, and I look forward to reading
your contributions.

>Certainly in my study of British cases there are no obvious
>greys at all until well into the l980's. Most - even
>hypnotically pursued - CE 4 s until about l985 had more human
>like or Nordic beings. The classic Telford encounter (pursued in
>l982/l983 with hypnosis on all three witnesses) produced
>different entity types with each witness and one of these was
>somewhat grey like.  It is all the more apparent when you see
>how - after the massive import of greys into British culture
>circa l987 (via the books of Strieber and Hopkins) the previous
>pattern of British aliens virtually disappeared overnight and
>now you are hard pressed NOT to find greys. There has to be
>significance in this. I talked it over with Budd Hopkins and he
>says that the greys were always in Brirtish cases but witnesses
>never knew it because the more friendly alien types acted as
>cover to protect the subconscious, Well, maybe. But equally, it
>has to be possible that the form the entity takes in a story is
>culturally modified. Thats my bet.

Maybe, maybe not.  Nothing about any of this is simple.  If it
were, we'd have found the answers long ago, we'd all agree on
them, and we could all go home.  In fact, one extraordinarily
important fact -- unremarked on, so far as I know, by everybody
but me -- links pre- abduction CE3s with cases from the
abduction era, and that is the large number of reports of human
or humanlike beings, including the blond-haired Nordics.  In
that sense, I think, it's meaningless to argue that the presence
of such entities in non-America abduction reports tells us much.
Besides their ubiquitous presence in early CE3s, these beings
were appearing in pre-Hopkins-era abduction cases, including one
I investigated in 1978 from Sedalia, Missouri (it occurred,
incidentally, during the nationwide early-August 1965 UFO wave,
centered in the Midwest).

>They do say that once is coincidence and twice a conspiracy.
>Here it is safer to say that there is more going on that just an
>invasion by greys and that something is occurring at the level
>of human consciousness on a cultural level.

Maybe, maybe not.  Where the abduction phenomenon is concerned,
our ignorance vastly outweighs our knowledge, and it would
behoove us all to be as cautious as possible in our judgments.
In my own reading of the evidence, I would agree with the first
half of your sentence and seriously question the second.


Jerry Clark

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