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Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality

From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:57:57 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:55:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality

>Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:04:10 -0800 (PST)
>From: Rebecca <xiannekei@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>I think Betty Hill's interview was interesting and I'm glad
>Peter mentioned it. I happen to think that Betty's opinions are
>important as she was at the forefront of the abduction
>phenomenon. She has seen things change, just as Little Richard
>has seen rock & roll change. These are disposable people who can
>be just thrown away because their experiences happened a long
>time ago. However, their opinions should be put in the proper
>context and I don't think Peter was holding Betty out to be an

Whether Betty Hill is an expert is one question. Mine would be,
with all respect to her, somewhat different. I wonder if she has
any real information about current abduction research at all. Of
course she was once in the forefront of the abduction
phenomenon, but that doesn't mean she's kept her information
current. If we believe her account of her experience, she saw a
UFO. But she also (or so I've read) got in the habit of looking
at the sky at night and misidentifying all sorts of things as
alien craft.

I might have made my point about Little Richard clearer. He
might not have been an expert on rock & roll even at the peak of
his career in the '50s. That is, he might not have known the
origins of rock, might not have known all its regional
varieties, and might not have been able to trace every step of
its history from the blues onward. There's a difference between
experience that commands respect and opinions that command
respect. Not everyone with important experience has opinions
that can always be trusted. (Little Richard is the perfect
example of that, since he's so famous for overstating his
historical importance.

>On the other hand, I've seen abductees come into the abduction
>>world knowing less than you'd think. More than once I've had an
>>abductee friend call in a panic, after having read in an
>>abduction book something he or she never dreamed someone else
>>knew about. In one case, the abductee had gone through hypnosis
>>with Budd, and hadn't believed a word she'd come out with. Then
>>she picked up The Threat, and -- not even caring yet about the
>>apocalyptic message -- just went into shock reading a couple of
>>random details that were exactly like what she said when
>>hypnotized. She'd been to a support group meeting or two, and at
>>least one party with abductees, and had every chance, you'd
>>think, to learn many details of abduction stories. But she
>>hadn't, partly because abductees, being in most respects normal
>>people, don't spend every waking hour talking obsessively about
>>their abduction memories.

>Greg, I had a full-blown panic attack upon hearing the symptoms
>of abduction from a presentation Budd gave in Houston. I learned
>those symptoms could be symptoms of many, many things. In my
>case, I think they were just that.

Rebecca, I wasn't saying that this abductee's experiences have
to be real because she felt panic. I was using her panic to
demonstrate how surprised she was by some standard abduction
stuff she read in "The Threat." My point was that even people
who spend time in the abduction scene don't necessarily know
what's in all the abduction books.

>>Important area for current investigation (I'm working on this):
>>Dave Jacobs' claim that abductees always put certain seemingly
>>random -- and obscure -- details in the same order. Dave has all
>>his hypnotic sessions transcribed, and so his claim, if it's
>>correct, ought to be possible for him to document.

>I'd be curious about how many details were different.

Me, too. Anyone who asks about similarities in abductee reports
also has to ask about differences. When I reviewed "The Threat"
for the MUFON Journal, I asked Dave many questions about how
many people had reported the shocking stuff in the book. I also
asked how many had reported other alien agendas. (He said none

Greg Sandow

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