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Re: MAGONIA Monthly Supplement No. 11 January 1999

From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:55:51 -0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:39:50 -0500
Subject: Re: MAGONIA Monthly Supplement No. 11  January 1999

>Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:35:24 +0000
>To: "updates@globalserve.net" <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Mark Pilkington <m.pilkington@virgin.net>
>Subject: MAGONIA Monthly Supplement No. 11  January 1999

>MAGONIA Monthly Supplement
>(or the supplement formerly known as ETH Bulletin)

>Interpreting contemporary vision and belief



>Philip Klass has kindly sent me some articles and press cuttings
>about the Hudson Valley UFO reports and this has prompted me to
>take a closer look at them. It is now becoming clear to me that
>the reason why ETH ufologists are not very interested in these
>sightings is that they already know the explanation, and it has
>nothing to do with alien spacecraft.

>The problem for ETHers is that it was quickly established that
>there were many amateur pilots in the Hudson Valley area, and
>that some of them had got together to practice formation flying
>at night. Their skills improved with practice and the number of
>aircraft in the formations increased so that they presented an
>impressive sight in the night sky.

This is such utter nonsense I don't even know where to start.

A witness sees the craft around 100ft from his car and gets out
- he proceeds to move close to the boomerang-shaped object and
notices the internal structure of the craft in front of him.

Other witnesses including policemen - in the company of several
hundred motorists on the way home see the boomerang-shaped craft
in 1984 and subsequently.

What we have in this bulletin is debunking nonsense entirely
unrelated to what people have seen. What is more; there is
evidence that the flights of small aircraft started AFTER the
initial and best sightings.

I even know where the bloody thing flew from - it's still there
now; Fort Drum near Watertown in Northern NY state.

This bulletin is as bad as some of the believer nonsense that
emerges from time to time.

You do NOT KNOW what you're talking about!

What about the Puzzouli film ; was that a formation of light

In case you hadn't noticed advanced LTA craft have been
developed and flown for thirty years and easily account for the
reported maneuvers of the Hudson Valley "UFO". There was very
little evidence in witness statements of high performance and in
over half the cases the craft just moved away slowly. Several
witnesses actually though they'd seen a large blimp........


>Chthonic fantasies. For several years some British ufologists
>have been aping their American colleagues by indulging in
>fantasies about secret underground bases - some of which might
>even conceal aliens or crashed saucers, who knows? The custom
>over here is to return to this topic whenever there is a
>shortage of UFO reports; if you see nothing in the sky then look
>underground. Of course, there are real underground bases and
>there has been a lot of rubbish written about the one near RAF
>Rudloe Manor, a place with which ETH ufologists are obsessed.
>This base, intended to be a seat of government in the event of
>nuclear attack, has recently been opened to the media and
>pictures of it have appeared in the press and on television. The
>fantasy about the underground railway from Rudloe Manor to
>Downing Street probably arises from the fact that the Box Hill
>railway tunnel is adjacent to the base. A number of similar
>bases have already been opened to the public. At this rate there
>will soon be nothing left for the fruitcake tendency to
>fantasise about.

And did you see that report on Channel 4 news about the new and
much improved secret bunker in Wiltshire for use in a National
Emergency situation?

Underground facilities exist - they're a military fact of life.

Some fantasy!


>UFOtrash. Each member of the Magonia editorial team is equipped
>with a delicate scientific instrument, known as a Crap Detector.
>I should have left mine switched off when I tuned in to Channel
>5 on 4 January to watch Stranger than Fiction: The Great UFO
>Conspiracy. No sooner had the familiar and, er, distinctive,
>features of Stanton Friedman appeared, and before he even opened
>his mouth, my Crap Detector indicator showed "Overload" and its
>chips were fried, or whatever the technical term is. The other
>persons talking utter garbage in this programme were Wendelle
>Stevens, Bruce Maccabee, Nick Pope, Timothy Good and Robert
>Oechsler. Need I say more?

You ought to use the crap detector on your own bulletin!

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