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Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality

From: Mendoza <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:28:03 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:42:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality

With the compliments of the Duke of Mendoza:

>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality
>Date: Tue, 02 Feb 99 10:54:43 PST

Dsicussing soiling oneself while stressed, Jerome said:

>I doubt that such loss of control "is a fairy [sic] well accepted
>given." In fact, it is discussed so infrequently in accounts of
>violent or traumatic events (which, it ought to be noted, are
>far, far more frequent than abduction accounts)

And later remarked

>It's a sort of ultimate humiliation.

Which I suspect we all agree is why it isn't mentioned very
often, even by abductees, who are prepared to tell us of many
other humilations. Whether it happens to fairies I do not know.
I saw a leprechaun once, but my linen at least retained its

However, it _is_ accepted by those involved in training police
officers how to deal with violent confrontations and their
aftermath that self-soiling is indeed common, and the point of
the training is to get people to accept that it's likely to
happen, accept it _has_ happened, but to concentrate on the
foresight and survive the gunfight nonetheless.

The eventuality is discussed at length by Capt. Massad Ayoob in
a lecture (available on videotape from Lethal Force Institute,
PO Box 122, Concord, NH 03301) called "Physiopsychological
Aspects of Violent Encounters". In this he also recounts cases
of officers having out-of-body experiences (OBEs), looking down
at themselves as the gunfight progressed, and with much good
humor acknowledges the embarrassment (even shame) these officers
have felt after the experience, and goes on to explain the
theory of OBE resulting from stress. I've often wondered how
many abduction stories have derived from OBEs created by stress.

That would be a nice fat research job for someone, and life in
abduction research would actually be _more_ interesting if
abductologists took the view of proper ufologists, that 95 out
of 100 claims were likely to fall apart on close inspection. (I
think Mark Cashman first suggested this might be a fruitful
approach.) But as abductologists have now decided why the aliens
are here, and even that they'll be out of the closet within the
next couple of generations or even the next five years, I doubt
it'll be one of the familiar crew who'll adopt this line.

>I was writing a short story collection by Richard Currey,

Gosh, Jerry, you never told us this before. And how long did it
take you to finish "Moby Dick"? :-)

best wishes
Projectionist D. Mabinogion
Lost Celtic Anti-Hero

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