From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:42:56 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 17:39:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Robert A.M. Stephens Exposed as a Fraud?


>Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:49:34 -0500
>To: "UFO UpDates Subscribers":;
>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Robert A.M. Stephens Exposed as a Fraud?

>Source: http://www.borderlands.com/robertfraud.htm


Hello List, et. al -

This revelation about Stephens bothered me a great deal, but not
for the reasons you would think.

>I then went after the SEAL Team-3 claim. There are many sites on
>the internet hosted by former Navy SEALs which enjoy exposing
>those who make such false claims. Here is a list:

>Fake SEALs and Phoney Frogs
>Phonies and Scumbags
>Fake SEALs
>Wannabe Veterans
>Mike's US Navy SEAL Homepage

>There may be more. I then emailed ALL of them asking for
>confirmation whether Robert A.M. Stephens had or had not been a
>Navy SEAL. Here are a couple responses so far:

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>From: "VeriSEAL" <agile@ix.netcom.com>
>Organization: Phony SEAL Hall of Shame
>To: Michael Theroux <director@borderlands.com>
>Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:49:52 +0000
>Subject: Re: More info from ROBERT STEPHENS
>Reply-to: agile@ix.netcom.com
>Priority: urgent
>X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b)

>Michael,

>All of your e-mail info on Stephens has been forwarded to about
>a dozen *REAL* former SEALs. What you have in the form of
>Stephens is a 100% bonafide FRAUD.

>Look for incoming messages from assorted retired Viet-era SEALs
>who will likely be more than interested in Stephens. By the way,
>the only two Teams in existence during WW-Vietnam were 1 and 2.
>The owner of the Hall of Shame at the Teams Homepage (
>http://The-South.Com/TheTeams ) is retired Senior Chief Kent
>Dillingham, one of the plankowners of ST-3 in 1983. That means
>he was one of the original founding SEALs for that Team.>>

These relevations make me embarrassed to suggest that I served
in Vietnam as a helicopter pilot. Not that I regret that
service, but because so many people in today's world are
suggesting that they served in Vietnam. It calls all of us into
question. People begin to wonder, is he just another "wannabe"
who is inventing his Vietnam service to impress.

I believe it was in San Antonio in which the director of a
Vietnam War museum was forced to resign because he claimed to
have been a Vietnam veteran, but was exposed as a fraud. His
deputy director was also forced to resign when it was learned
he, too, was a fraud.

Can I prove that I served in Vietnam? Certainly. But should I
have to. And this relates to the entire UFO community. How many
times have people come forward claiming training, education,
government connects, only to be exposed as frauds. I can think
of a dozen or more, some of whom are still respected by people
on this list. Don Schmitt, for example, still lectures about
UFOs and Roswell, but why should we listen to a thing he has to
say?

There must come a point where we say that it is enough. If you
lied about your education, your employment, your secret drug
investigation experience, we are not going to believe anything
else you say UNTIL we can verify it.

Sorry for the rant, but this is becoming ridiculous. We still
argue about the authenticity of the Santilli film when we have
seen the lies he told about the film canister markings and that
the tent footage is a fraud. He has not produced the cameraman,
or a statement from his that isn't riddled with errors and
mistakes. Maybe we haven't proved the autopsy a fraud, but we
don't have to. Santilli has to prove it authentic and not only
hasn't he, he has done everything he can to make sure that no
one else can do it.

So, before we accept anything, let's make sure the facts are there.

KRandle