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Re: Robert A.M. Stephens Exposed as a Fraud?

From: Sharon Kardol <sharon@hotmix.com.au>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:08:53 +0800
Fwd Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:23:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Robert A.M. Stephens Exposed as a Fraud?

>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 12:42:56 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Robert A.M. Stephens Exposed as a Fraud?

>>Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:49:34 -0500
>>To: "UFO UpDates Subscribers":;
>>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: UFO UpDate: Robert A.M. Stephens Exposed as a Fraud?

>>Source: http://www.borderlands.com/robertfraud.htm

>Hello List, et. al -

>This revelation about Stephens bothered me a great deal, but not
>for the reasons you would think.

<snip>  (revelation Stephens was a fake Seal)

>These relevations make me embarrassed to suggest that I served
>in Vietnam as a helicopter pilot. Not that I regret that
>service, but because so many people in today's world are
>suggesting that they served in Vietnam. It calls all of us into
>question. People begin to wonder, is he just another "wannabe"
>who is inventing his Vietnam service to impress.

>I believe it was in San Antonio in which the director of a
>Vietnam War museum was forced to resign because he claimed to
>have been a Vietnam veteran, but was exposed as a fraud. His
>deputy director was also forced to resign when it was learned
>he, too, was a fraud.

>Can I prove that I served in Vietnam? Certainly. But should I
>have to. And this relates to the entire UFO community. How many
>times have people come forward claiming training, education,
>government connects, only to be exposed as frauds. I can think
>of a dozen or more, some of whom are still respected by people
>on this list. Don Schmitt, for example, still lectures about
>UFOs and Roswell, but why should we listen to a thing he has to

>There must come a point where we say that it is enough. If you
>lied about your education, your employment, your secret drug
>investigation experience, we are not going to believe anything
>else you say UNTIL we can verify it.

>Sorry for the rant, but this is becoming ridiculous. We still
>argue about the authenticity of the Santilli film when we have
>seen the lies he told about the film canister markings and that
>the tent footage is a fraud. He has not produced the cameraman,
>or a statement from his that isn't riddled with errors and
>mistakes. Maybe we haven't proved the autopsy a fraud, but we
>don't have to. Santilli has to prove it authentic and not only
>hasn't he, he has done everything he can to make sure that no
>one else can do it.

>So, before we accept anything, let's make sure the facts are there.

Mr Randle,

It is so sad to hear this reality.  Unfortunately for me I tend
to believe what people tell me at face value, because, well, why
would they want to lie to me?

Until this episode with Mr Stephens I hadn't really experienced
blatant disception at this level, and now that I have I must say
I am a little more wary than before, but, like you I don't
understand why someone would want to be like that?

Lets hope the new millenium brings a renewed sense of community

Sharon K

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