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Re: FOX Hoax Special - Reaction

From: Steven W. Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 06:39:19 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 00:27:02 -0500
Subject: Re: FOX Hoax Special - Reaction

>From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
>Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:34:50 +0000
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: FOX Hoax Special - Reaction

>Hi Gildas,

>I think there is a general misconception people have about the
>overall "high expense" and "risk" of producing the AA footage.
>Nothing visible on screen is so unique that it couldn't be found
>in garage sales and resale shops. I know of at least four
>surplus places in Houston, alone, that would have all the old
>surgical hardware such as table, instruments, gowns etc. If I
>had to put a dollar figure on it all, I doubt it would top
>$5,000 and that would be generous. The alien, of course, would
>have to be manufactured. However, despite much admiration some
>people seem to have for the "realistic" look of the alien, I
>personally find it to be quite stiff and crude. I know half a
>dozen guys in the low budget film industry that could do a
>better job for under $10,000 and would take the money and keep
>their mouths shut because they would just be happy to have the


If your friends could produce a better AA "film" for $10,000,
they should have spoken up when this was being discussed on the
"net".  Many of the comments you've made are at the heart of
long and involved discussions between a variety of "experts",
and I would suggest that the bottom line is that this "film" is
a far more complicated affair than it appears at first glance.

I have also spoken with several production people familiar with
special effects, and they all laugh at the AA "film" and say
that they could do better.  They're opinion was that the "film"
was an obvious fake.  On the other hand, I've communicated with
several in the medical profession who are convinced they were
watching a real medical proceedure, and not a re-creation.  So,
what are we left with?   It would seem we have opinions from
experts in their fields who view the same "film" from their
respective positions.

I have seen three "professional" re-creations of the AA "film",
and I believe that at least one of them cost far more than the
$10,000 figure you mention.  These were produced to show how
'easy' it was to fake, and they all quickly failed some of the
tests that the Santilli "film" had already passed.

This doesn't mean that I believe the AA "film" is real, and
certainly doesn't eliminate the fact that it might have been
hoaxed by a group of people who donated their time and
materials, so the cost could have been next to nothing.  But to
charactorize it as easy to create, for just a few thousand
dollars, misses the point of many "expert" statements that have
gone before.

It is Ray Santilli's responsibility to prove his film has worth,
and not the role of UFOlogists to prove it a fake.  Of the
gigabytes of material that has been posted regarding the AA
"film" during the past 4 years, I would suspect that only about
10% of it was an actual scientific debate. Most of it (IMO) was
wasted bandwidth as many submitted opinion and theory as
evidence and then supported their contention endlessly in a
never ending "debate".  What a waste of investigative energy.

As far as the Kiviat production is concerned, I think there is
far better evidence to indicate that the Santilli "film" is a
hoax than was presented on the show.  Those who've watched this
story unfold on the "net" were aware of the actor who had come
forward early last year, so the report wasn't actually a
revelation.  However, Kal is correct in that this information
has now been made available to a wider audience.


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