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Re: FOX Hoax Special - Reaction

From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:59:58 -0500 (EST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 00:52:04 -0500
Subject: Re: FOX Hoax Special - Reaction

>From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
>Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 17:34:50 +0000
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: FOX Hoax Special - Reaction

>Finding the old film stock is not impossible. I, personally,
>have stumbled onto old rolls of B&W film dating back to 1958. I
>shot them and they processed up just fine, though a little
>grainy. Therefore, film and processing is practically free, as
>is the old Bell and Howell it was probably shot with. I wouldn't
>be surprised if the camera and film were found together in
>someone's attic! From the look of it, I doubt very seriously
>that a trained camera man shot one single frame, so you know his
>cost was doodly-squat.

Finding old film stock from 1947, and an ultra fast film at
that, is a different matter, Roger.  If you did find some, it
would be hopelessly fogged by now by background radiation, no
matter how it was stored.

Processing would also be problematic, since you can't run this
old film through today's chemicals.  The emulsion would just
come right off.

>The actor's faces were conveniently covered, so their "fees"
>would be minimal, probably no more than $200 per person, if even
>that. Santilli could easily afford to "sweeten" the deal by
>doubling or tripling their fees to keep them quiet, though it
>really wouldn't be necessary.

Huh????  Now why wouldn't it be necessary to pay them "hush
money"?  Let's say they had been paid, oh $ 5,000 each for the
sake of argument.  You don't think Bob Kiviat could scrape up a
LOT more than that to offer them if they came forward?

Nope, your argument here just doesn't make sense.

>Gilda continued by offering this:

His name is Gildas, Roger.  He is a man.  I can attest to this
since I met him in Paris when we both were featured on the TF-1
network's TV program on the film!!!!! <G>

>I've posted earlier why I find the notion of some guy processing
>several hundred feet of film in a bucket and trying to find a
>place to hang-dry it really stupid. I know Bob Shell disagrees,
>and he has his reasons. But it makes no sense to me at all,
>despite the army manuals of the day claiming that it could be
>done. A friend of mine has an old army manual about personal
>hygiene that tells recruits to clip the corners of their
>toe-nails close to the skin "for greater comfort", I believe.
>None of them did, of course, because it would always cause
>ingrown toe-nails! So, just because the manual says to do it,
>doesn't mean that it's the logical thing to do. An experienced
>cameraman would produce better looking footage to begin with and
>certainly wouldn't risk such important images to bucket
>processing! He'd know better.

Roger, I never said that the film was processed in a bucket,
just that it could have been if absolutely necessary.  The old
process used at the time was done at much lower temperatures
than used today, and so could easily be done in crude settings.

I think the film was processed in a hand-crank processing tank,
as were often used by the military in those days.  This would
account for the variations in density in the film which you
would not get with automated machine processing.

>Now, a lawyer might want to weigh in on this, but an interesting
>way to test Santilli's resolve is for others to start copying
>and selling tapes of his AA footage, sans the opening titles or
>credits or narrative sections that he or the networks produced.
>After all, if the AA footage was produced by the military, then
>it was paid for with US tax dollars and now belongs to the
>general public, just like early NASA photos. For Santilli to
>protect his copyright, (and his profits) he'd have to prove that
>he produced the AA footage from scratch!

WRONG!!!!!!  This has been done.  Ask Chuck Harder about it.


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