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Re: 25 Rules of Disinformation

From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:34:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:03:36 -0500
Subject: Re: 25 Rules of Disinformation


>From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
>Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:23:07 +0000
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: 25 Rules of Disinformation

>>From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
>>Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:32:44 -0500
>>Fwd Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:02:01 -0500
>>Subject: Re: 25 Rules of Disinformation

>Previously, gary offered this heap:

>>>-- What are the real issues in the dispute which broke out last
>>>month over Dr. Hynek? This real issues revolve around the fact
>>>that there is AMPLE evidence, evidence tantamount to proof, FOR
>>>ME, that Dr. Hynek was working both sides of the street in his
>>>later career as Godfather of ufology. What is proof? It is the
>>>evidence that convinces YOU. That is, there is no absolute
>>>proof available in this area, short of the individual at issue
>>>owning up in public

><snip>

>Gary,

>I really don't know where to begin. My head is still swimming
>from such a convoluted self justification for your position
>regarding Hynek.

>"Evidence tantamount to proof" is not proof.

>Evidence is evidence and proof is proof. Sometimes they are the
>same. Sometimes they are not. It all depends on the validity of
>the argument that supports the evidence and vice versa.

<much patient explanation snipped>

Here's a list of things that might provide real evidence that
Hynek was an intelligence agent:

1. He told somebody that he was.

2. Among his papers we find correspondence between him and
intelligence officials, confirming his involvement.

3. A known intelligence agent whom we know to be honest says
Hynek was involved.

4. Somebody we trust overheard Hynek in conversation with known
intelligence agents.

5. In the files of some intelligence agency, we find documents
saying Hynek was an agent.

6. Among Hynek's papers we find cancelled checks from an
intelligence agency. (Unlikely, I'm sure. They'd find less
traceable ways of giving him money.)

Everything on this list is tangible. Everything points directly
to Hynek's involvement. I could also imagine less tangible kinds
of evidence. For instance, what if people in the UFO community
sometimes saw Hynek deep in conversation with unknown people?
What if he never told anyone what those conversations were
about? What if he brushed off all questions? What if he
sometimes disappeared for hours at a time, and never told anyone
where he went?

Of course, that would only prove he had things in his life he
didn't want known. They wouldn't prove his unknown life involved
intelligence work. Gary, of course, doesn't even have anything
this specific. All he has is speculation.

Incidentally, in 1968 and maybe in years afterward there was a
CIA office in the federal building in Chicago. It wasn't
labelled CIA. Rather comically, it was labelled "GSA Gear
Locker," or in other words it passed itself off as a closet
belonging to the General Services Administration, a federal
agency that provides various government services, including (I
think) janitorial work.

This was the only gear locker I'd ever seen with both a
microphone and a speaker grille. It also had a doorbell. If you
rang it, a voice would ask you what you wanted, and then (since
you wouldn't know how to give the right answer) would tell you
to go away.

How do I know this? Well, actually I don't know for sure that
the CIA was hiding behind this hapless disguise. That, however,
is what I was told when I was in Chicago in '68 for the famous
demonstrations against the Democratic Convention. Somebody
organized an exposure of this "gear locker" office. We visited
the gear locker, then notified the press and TV to meet us there
(it was on some high floor of the building) and planned to tell
them what, supposedly, lay behind it.

This plan failed, though, when the feds found out about it. I
got there late, and was confronted with a scene right out of a
spy movie. I walked in the federal building, and saw men
standing around who looked exactly like you'd expect an
intelligence agent or a cop to look. Tough, unsmiling,
suspicious. As I walked toward the center of the lobby, I heard
a click. I looked around; more intelligence agents (quite
seriously, they looked like they were playing secret agents in a
really clumsy film scene) had moved into place, blocking all the
doors. I got scared, turned around and tried to leave, only to
find the doors locked. The click, obviously, had been the locks
falling into place.

At this point, not suprisingly, some of the agent types grabbed
me, and started asking me questions. I managed to talk my way
out of it, by convincing them I had some routine errand in the
building. But obviously they'd busted us, and were there to stop
our little game.

Gary, did anyone ever see Hynek enter this federal building, and
take the elevator to the floor where that "gear locker" was?

Greg Sandow


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