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Re: Fox TV Special

From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:04:30 -0600
Fwd Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:10:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Fox TV Special


>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Fox TV Special
>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:28:49 -0500

>Excuse me?????????

>I suppose I should apologize for discussing this piecemeal, as I
>scroll through messages that keep speeding further from reality.
>But let me introduce myself as a music critic for the Wall
>Street Journal, a member of the graduate studies faculty at
>Juilliard, America's leading music school, and a composer who's
>worked with everything from folksingers to opera companies, as
>well as with synthesizers and digital audio.

Well Greg, I will grant you that the machine which I have seen
in action was a physical contraption.  It was invented in the
early part of this century, by Spencer Harvey Louis, and I think
it now resides in a museum, possibly in Chicago...I cannot be
sure, without looking through my information.

This machine consisted of an organ and a device which converted
the mucical notes into light patterns of various colors, so that
when one played the organ, the audience was entertained with a
vast spectrum of color and music.

Grant you a device was constructed to demonstrate this
connection between color and sound, in the visible spectrum of
our reality. Yet, there are individuals who profess to see these
colors in the auric emaninations from material things...In other
words it is an "energy."

Anything which is material would therefore produce this energy.
What is it that determines the differnece between a brick and
a log?

It is the number of atoms and molcules in the material.. Maybe I
confused the frequency with the numbers...I can do that from
time to time...that is why I prefer to have my notes in front of
me when writing on this subject.  However, to be fair, I wrote
strictly from memory in my origional post.

>This statement of Michael's is -- forgive me, Michael --
>complete and utter nonsense. I'm very sympathetic to spiritual
>beliefs, and I believe that music can have great spiritual
>power, even, very likely, healing power. But Michael's statement
>purports to describe not the spiritual meaning of music, but
>physical facts about it. Not one of those supposed facts is
>correct.

>"Everything vibrates at a certain frequency." Not even musical
>notes vibrate at one frequency. As I said in a previous post --
>and as I can easily prove with standard musical software -- even
>apparently pure musical notes consist of many frequencies at
>once. (A pure sine wave would be an exception. But you won't
>hear those outside a laboratory or a recording studio, where
>they might be used for tuning or testing, or as a component of
>sounds created on an analogue synthesizer.)

>Besides, when we talk about musical notes vibrating, we're
>talking about sound waves. Sound waves certainly vibrate. But in
>what sense does a solid object vibrate? Perhaps it does in some
>mystical sense, but that has nothing to do with the kinds of
>tangible, measurable, physical vibrations involved in music.


Sound as you are aware, ranges from far below the auditory range
of the human ear to far above it...It is like a slide kazoo....
you can slide the bar in and get one sound and slowly withdraw
it to go all the way to the other extreem, of course again
within the range of the auditory senses. But those vibrations
which we call sound, do not stop, simply because we do not hear
them...animals have a far keener sense of hearing than humans...
Vibrations, deal with energy...this enegy issues across the
entire spectrum of material existence.  Music as a product of
material expression can be made more enjoyable by adjusting the
frequency of those vibrations...To harsh and it causes us to
cringe...to soft and it puts to sleep.

>"Change the frequency of vibration of the object and you change
>the object."

>A violinist makes a violin play different notes by changing the
>way the strings vibrate. A clarinettist makes a clarinet play
>different notes by changing the way the air inside the clarinet
>vibrates. Musicians, in other words, do change vibrations that
>have some connection with their instruments.

>But how would you change the vibration of a rubber ball? Of a
>broom? Of your kitchen sink? There are some objects that
>obviously do vibrate -- a sheet of metal, to take a familiar
>example, even one formed into a tool, like the blade of a saw.
>But if you get a saw to vibrate, how does that change the saw?
>In the rural south, musicians used to play the saw as a musicial
>instrument, more or less by bowing it as if it were a violin. I
>heard somebody doing that in the New York subway just a week or
>so ago. He played the saw beautifully, changing its vibration to
>form every musical pitch necessary to play a melody. But when he
>finished, the saw hadn't changed at all.

Ok, here definitely I have misrepresented what I was saying...not
intentinally, mind you, but by confusing frequency with the number
of atoms, molecules and electrons, which compose matter.  You will
not change a clarinet by playing a frequency higher or lower, but
you would change it if you changed the moleculear structure of the
wood or plastic from which it is made. <g>

>"play musical notes, and this generates a corresponding Color
>which can be used in a Kaleido- scopic display of sound and
>music."
>
>Oh, Michael, Michael...where did you ever learn such a thing?

Again, I stick by this, based on the machines I have seen
produce these colors and sounds....

>Musical notes don't generate colors. The vibrations of sound --
>relatively slow vibrations of air molecules -- have no relation
>to light. There's no way at all to translate the wavelengths of
>sound into light. If you play a note, no color physically
>appears in the air or in your eye. Musicians often associate
>musical notes with colors, but it's well known that they never
>agree on which colors correspond to which notes. The association
>of notes and colors is entirely subjective.

You are correct...play a note and no color appears in the air..
yet, as previously said by both of us, you can construct devices
to project this color in to the visible spectrum... Is it not
true that the notes on the Universal musical scale cover a range
of 80 octaves???

Definitely this is a subject with which I am struggling to make
sense.

It is not my forte'...but being the defender of ideas, I jumped
into the "beamship sounds" boat, and paddled just a little to
far in preparing the foundation for the posting I made earlier
today based on the findings as expressed in Wendelle Stevens
book:  "UFO CONTACT From The Pleiades, A Preliminary
Investigation," and the video "CONTACT," which covers the tests
made on the Beam Ship sounds recorded by Billy Meier and his
Wife Poppi, at the time. I opened myself up for this post and
deserve it...<g> <blush> :-)

>It's possible, of course, to build a machine or create a piece
>of software that translates sound into color (I have a screen
>saver that does this), but the translation is totally arbitrary.
>If some sound produces a wash of red light, that's only because
>the machine or the software was designed that way. There's no
>intrinsic relation between the sound and the color red. In an
>earlier post, I mentioned the Sound Forge Spectrum Analysis
>plugin, which lets you display a visual analysis of the
>frequencies in any sound on your computer. One form of the
>display lets you see the frequencies as bands of color -- but
>you can vary the colors at will, to decide for yourself which
>colors will represent which frequencies.

You have me at a disadvantage, since I have not had the
opportunity to have "hands on experience" with changng colors to
sounds.... Here I am at your mercy.... <g>

>Michael is talking very lovingly in spiritual terms. But the
>things he's talking about aren't physical characteristics of
>sound.


You had a chance to really chew me up Greg, but you choose
not to do so...Thanks...

You are correct, I was talking in Spiritual terms...but
ultimately this Spirit reaches acorss the gulf into physical
reality...

REgards, Mike



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