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Re: UFO Cults - A research question...

From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:55:25 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:47:42 -0500
Subject: Re: UFO Cults - A research question...

>From: John Ratcliff <jratcliff@att.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: UFO Cults - A research question...
>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:35:15 +0000

>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>>Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:52:31 -0500Fwd Date: Tue, 12
>>Jan 1999 10:35:46 -0500
>>Subject: Re: UFO Cults - A research question...

>>Bruce wrote:

>>It would seem to me that anyone who takes seriously the idea
>>(fact) of UFO reality >also has to seriously consider the
>>possibility (probability) that >Other Intelligences (OI),
>>whether ETs or time travelers or whatever,

>>1) created humans
>>2) have watched human development
>>3) have affected human history a number of times by
>>  doing things outside the norm of human ability
>>4) have given rise to what we call "religious history"

>Excellent post Bruce and a fine theory. My view is since we
>know that human beings have strange experiences, whether it's
>due to the influence of space aliens, temporal lobe misfiring,
>psychoactive consumption, fasting, or the paranormal, it is
>impossible to come to any firm conclusions about some base
>reality surrounding the mythologies of early man.


>Afterall, if you choose to postulate a theory that some of these
>old gods were in fact objectivly 'real', then we must examine,
>critically, their actions. And their actions as recorded in our
>myths, if taken literally, are a record of violent genocide
>against humanity. (Put your Bible aside and simply see the
>recent animated childrens film 'Prince of Persia' for just a few
>examples of how brutal these OI's can be.)>

>These don't sound like spiritually advanced folks I want to
>welcome with open arms (see Bramley's 'The Gods of Eden'). Call
>me xenophobic, or just call me cautious, but when Jehovah starts
>flitting about in his UFO and issuing a fresh set of edicts, I'm
>going to be mighty pleased if the USAF has some top secret
>aircraft ready to take him on.

.............................(Maccabee, 1996)

You are correct. The actions of the "old Gods" do not seem
"Godlike" ....especially to modern "bleeding heart liberal
types." HOWEVER!!! That really is a result of a change in the
concept of what God should be like that result from analysis of
the New Testament.

It seems to me that "good" and "evil" were relative terms in
early days (as they are now) where "good" meant "that which
worked according to the Creator's (or Creators') desires" and
"evil" was that which didn't "work." Obviously The Creator(s)
was trying for something, some type of humans, and many human
activities p--- ed him off so he decided to get rid of the whole
bunch (the Flood..... if it actually occurred) and start with a
"pure" genetic line (Noah). Of course, if all of humanity is
NOT descended from Noah (and I think it isn't all descended from
Noah...or an equivalent in' some other religion), that still
does not change the "post-deluvian" history as recorded in
ancient works. In the Old Testament we find numerous examples
of man's cruelty or "inhumanity" toward man (and women). We
also find that whatever God says is good. So, for example, its
OK to march into the "Promised Land" and take over. SO what if a
few thousand humans get killed as a result. There are
plenty more.

My understanding of a key theme running through the Old
Testament is that the Creator(s) didn't understand the humans.
Why did humans do the things they do, including "bad" things
they have been warned not to do. The New Testament then
describes the result of the effort of the Creator(s) to learn
"first hand" what makes humans tick and thus to become
"reconciled" to the nature of humanity.

This interpretation may make no sense if the Creator(s) is(are)
supra-universal beings as in the old concept of God. It does
make some sense if the Creator(s) are "merely" highly advanced
beings who whose capabilituies appear as "magic" (miracles) who
created some "artificial intelligence" which they discover they
cannot understand.

To better understand this argument, consider the "human
analogue": We could create artificial intelligence AI using
available computer methods, etc. If we made it self-reproducing
then we could follow this AI through a number of generations and
try to figure out why it was doing whatever it was doing. Point:
it could well do things we don't understand!

Of course, this raises a number of interesting questions such
as, could this AI "reverse-engineer" itself and thus understand
itself? Would it have sufficient intelligence to understand
itself? Or is intelligence in general "Godelified", that is
stopped by the AI analogue of Godel's theorem (that you can't
"prove" a mathematical system from within the system)? Is it
possible that humans are not sufficiently intelligent to
understand humans?

Or is it possible that we are approaching the capability of
doing just that (the ultimate reverse-engineering of life)...
and perhaps "somebody up there" is worried about the abilities
we might be able to give ourselves?

(sleep on that one, if you can!)

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