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Re: Military Retirees & Secrecy

From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:53:01 -0600
Fwd Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:28:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Military Retirees & Secrecy

>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:13:13 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Military Retirees & Secrecy

>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:50:20 +0000
>From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Military Retirees & Secrecy

>>Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:46:28 -0600
>>From: Dave Vetterick <veterick@ix.netcom.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Military Retirees & Secrecy

>>>Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:32:40 -0800
>>>From: Judith Dale <judithdale@earthlink.net>
>>>To: UFO UpDates-Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Military Retirees & Secrecy

EBK and List :

This topic needs some clarification.

My reply to Judith Dale's original post (both noted above) as
submitted for posting to the list, did not snip any of her
original post. I didn't think it was that long that it needed to

EBK evidently felt otherwise. In posting my message to the list
he snipped Judith's post right after her opening paragraph.

Perhaps I should have written my reply differently. I apologize.
However, the snip to Judith's message coming where it did has
caused some confusion which I'll attempt to clarify while at the
same time responding to Kevin and Roger's posts also noted

Here is the pertinent part of Judith's message:

>The experience that I have is with my partner's dad, who is a
>retired Lt. Colonel, USAF intelligence. In response to questions
>about UFO's and the involvement of the Air Force, he will only
>say that alot has gone on and to talk about it would put him,
>and us, in terrible danger. This doesn't sound like a fear of
>loosing his pension, to me. This is a man who started in the
>Army and became Air Force in 1947. The Air Force subsequently
>paid for him to get a graduate degree in communications at Yale.

She goes on to speak about a notebook with drawings of Greys
which I'm sure we'd all love to see. She concludes with:

>We have all found his refusal to tell us anything to be
>incredibly frustrating. He is now in his 80's, but insists that
>what he knows will go to the grave with him. He is adamant that
>it is not safe for him to speak. Fear of lost pension? I don't
>think so. This is also a man who was rah, rah military, and now
>vehemently hates the military. Curious.

Kevin, my original point was NOT questioning or belittling the
man's right to continue to honor his oath if he so chooses, as
seems to be your impression of what I was saying.

My question was and still is...What is the basis for the fear
that if he talked it would put him, AND HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY, in
"terrible danger", and "it is not SAFE for him to speak".

This implies bodily harm would come about if he spoke about 30
year old UFO related military secrets.

Roger, no offense, but suggesting the government and military is
going to inflict illegal bodily harm over this and could get
away with it, as you said they likely did over the Contra
dealings, is far fetched and bordering on paranoia in my

Intimidation is a tool, but to suggest in this day and time that
the military could threaten anything other than putting a person
in Ft. Leavenworth much less illegal bodily harm to a person's
family, and get away with it just isn't realistic.

Judith said this gentleman now "vehemently hates the military".
So the obvious conclusion she makes herself is that its not the
oath keeping him silent, but the fear of bodily harm.

What was the nature of the threat, and who made it?

I've seen this claim of fear tossed around many times but there
never is any elaboration of the exact nature of the this
physical threat. I'm not questioning Judith's or anyone's
integrity. Just asking for details of this threat.

If I were illegally threatened this way by the military, or any
REAL government agency I'd be on CNN and MSNBC within the hour.

Dave Vetterick

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