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Re: 'Rods' - On The Learning Channel

From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:02:28 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:49:59 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Rods' - On The Learning Channel

'Rods' - On The Learning Channel

>From: Jose Escamilla <rods@rmi.net>
>Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:15:46 +0300
>Fwd Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:57:23 -0500
>Subject: 'Rods' - On The Learning Channel

Previously, Jose had written:

>So, in our quest to further this investigation, Jim Peters, Ken
>Swartz (a new associate and team member), set out to see "if in
>fact" Rods or fast objects traveling distances from the camera
>would create a "blur" because of the electronics involved in CCD
>photography - or videography.

>We videotaped an 16 1/2"arrow (bolt) using Jim's crossbow that
>shoots these bolts at approximately 136 mph.

>We used the Sony VX-1000 digital
>camcorder that most of the current Rod shots have been captured
>on in New Jersey, South Dakota and The cave in Mexico.

>We we found was that using the optical lens setting at 1/10,000
>shutter setting, the bolt - or arrow, appears as it really is: a
>16 1/2" arrow. And it appears in two to three frame of video
>shot at 30fps.

>This revealed to us that using the Sony VX-1000 camcorder as has
>been used in all the cave footage, what you see is what you get.

Hi Jose,

To start with, I'm not at all up to date on the ROD issue, but I
do know a thing or two about video. I can appreciate the test
you were trying to create but there are a couple of things you
really should consider:

1) 1/10,000 of a second shutter is staggeringly fast. Therefore
little, if any, blur should be expected of any object at that

2) 1/10,000 of a second is too fast to use in a cave or other
indoor areas unless a LOT of light is present; at least as much
as is present in the broad outdoor daylight. You CAN manually
set the shutter speed to 1/10,000 of a second, but I'm positive
you'd get nothing but blackness on the final video image under
indoor conditions. More than likely, if you got an image at all,
the shutter speed in the cave would have been around only 1/60
of a second. At that speed, anything moving even moderately fast
will create a blur.

3) Using only the same camera isn't really an accurate test of
the phenomenon. For instance, my mother has old 35mm camera that
has light leaks in it. Every picture shot with it has orange
streaks, like comets, appearing in the upper right hand corner.
If I thought the streaks were ET in nature, I'd need to shoot
additional pictures with both my mother's camera and a camera of
another make. If I got streaks using both cameras, then I might
have something. Otherwise, it's obvious the results are only
unique to my mother's camera.

4) Regarding the presentation of your test results, you should
bone up on your terminology if you want people to take you
seriously. The term "1/10,000 of a second" is not an "optical
setting". In fact, it has nothing to do with optics at all. You
can take the optics off the camera completely and still set the
shutter to 1/10,000 of a second. They are completely separate
functions. I'm not trying to bust your chops, but it would seem
you have an uphill battle on your hands and making inaccurate
technical statements is not going to speed the plow on your

5) All video cameras shoot at 30 FPS (actually 29.97, I think).
Unlike film cameras, it is not neccessary to specify the frame
rate when speaking about home video type cameras.

6) If the arrow was traveling at 136 mph, I'm surprised it would
show up at all on the video beyond one frame. If, on the other
hand, you were looking at "fields" instead of "frames", then I
might buy that. While there are 30 frames per second, there are
actually 60 fields per second (2 fields per frame is the easiest
way to remember it for future reference). Some VCRs allow for
single field viewing; some single frame viewing; some both. You
need to check your machine for the specifics.

Try taking these things into consideration and run another test
with more accurate field data. I'm curious about the results.

Take care,

Roger Evans

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