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Re: R.A.M.S. - A Parting Shot?

From: Robert A. M. Stephens <sti3818@montana.com>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:42:03 +0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:39:21 -0500
Subject: Re: R.A.M.S. - A Parting Shot?

>Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:20:11 -0800
>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: R.A.M.S. - A Parting Shot?

>What is your real motivation for your proposed debate with
>Mr.Hoagland? Anyone who studies Ufology and can think for
>himself already is well aware of Mr."Mars face" Hoagland's self
>delusions. Any regular listeners of Art Bell who still believe
>anything Hoagland says have their own sets of problems. I don't
>think anyone can illuminate their dimness. Are you trying to
>prop up your wounded ego vs. Art Bell?

No. I don't care about ego and Bell and me. Many are now
thinking as you do, and thus, it probably isn't needed to
debate anything. The point is there is a few, Hoagland, being
one, that is or is not crazy but the he does write the
Whitehouse, NSA, DoD, NASA, etc, and make claims that we
killing 30,000 children on Long Island, that NASA is a pack of
liars, etc. I take issue with this. NASA can't attack back.
I can. The loudest voice of 'strange' must then be silenced
with truth.

If not, you, I and everyone in this field is lumped into the
same basket and thus, non-disclosure will continue. This must
be stopped. I have found in the 100 day voyage in this culture,
there is a lot of very serious and sincere people. My only
fault of them is that they are little too quiet when wronged or
snowballed.. You, obviously, are not. Good.

>In a recent post announcing your resurrection you claimed that
>many people have posted you with links, etc. that support the
>truth of your claims. What I would rather see you do is to post
>on this list the truth behind your UFO related claims and the
>sources of that truth so they may be verified in a forum of
>bonafide researchers. I don't want to sound crude but perhaps
>you are familiar with the phrase 'put-up or shut-up'? So how
>about putting-up so you can gain some credibility? That would
>serve your credibility more than a debate with people like

Please be more specific. I do not understand this last
paragraph. I believe I have, in great measure, put up. More
than most herein.


Robert>A.M. Stephens
NASA Documentation Program
Stillwater Mills

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