From: Ted Viens <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:36:43 -0600 Fwd Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:41:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Keeping Secrets >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com> >Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:26:59 EST >To: Updates@Globalserve.net >Subject: Keeping Secrets >>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >>Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:14:52 EST >>Fwd Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:51:03 -0500 >>Subject: Keeping Secrets ><snip> >>I was, in 1970, working on a project called NAGS. This was the >>acronym for Naval Advanced Guidance System. It was one of the >>means by which a Polaris Poseiden warhead would guide itself >>towards target(s), as these were MIRV or multiple warheads. >>The security at the facility was very, very strict. You needed a >>top secret clearance just to get into the work area. And that >>work area was guarded 24 hours a day. Beyond the human >>security, you needed a special badge and code access to get >>thru the door. >>If there was anything about this project that was critical, it >>was security. About three months after I became one of the >>Electro-Optics engineers on the project, and after numerous >>security briefings by the military, by the project management, >>by the company reps, by everybody, an article appeared in >>Aviation Week and Space Technology which outlined _exactly_ what >>this project was all about ... >That's why it's called "Aviation Leak". >>... including the top secret portions, which threatened corporeal >>[sic] punishment and a cruel death to anyone on the project >>who leaked information, even by accident. >Does Mr. Mortellaro expect us to take this statement at face value, >or is it a joke? "Corporal punishment and a cruel death" for >accidental leaking of information? >Jim, can you cite one single documented instance in which >punishments such as this have been authorized or applied in the >United States of America? I'm obviously not talking about the >Rosenberg spy case, or the execution of NAZI agents during World >War II. Please be specific with as many examples as you can find, >or cite the applicable section of U.S. law authorizing such things. >On the other hand, just since the end of the Cold War there have >been a number of widely publicized real spy cases involving even >such things as our wartime nuclear target list and sub operations >codes where people have received prison terms. None have >received "corporeal punishment" or "cruel deaths". The old KGB, >on the other hand, was rumored to have thrown Soviet citizens who >were our double agents, alive, into a basement furnace at Lubyanka >Prison in Moscow. Wake up people. Did someone declare this List or most any other forum on the internet a rigorously enforced example of rhetorical debate? Do we all abandon our real life experiences (however shallow and infrequent they may be) and only discuss these issues in light of our idealised visions of how life might be? Sure, legal statute for violation of national security may not prescribe public flogging and execution, but that doesn't stop some hot shot captain from leading a security seminar and promising the audience that if they violate their oath, they just might get their nuts cut off and find their bones decorating some desert landscape. I mean, sheeeesh, _real_ life is sometimes messy and unfair... Bye... Ted..
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