From: Sean Jones <seanj@tedric.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:43:02 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:15:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality


>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
>Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:55:29 EST
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality [was... 1999 UFO Alien...]

Hi Jim

>>On a serious note, I'd like to stay out of this one as it is
>>entirely personal, IMHO, and one which ruffles feathers
>>instantly if you even dare to suggest that there might be other
>>things to explain _some_alleged_ abductions.

I know I said I wouldn't comment of this but......

>True Sean.....

>The experience leaves one exceedingly disturbed, is entirely too
>realistic and remains in the memory longer than the worst of
>recurring dreams. IF it continues off and on over a lifetime,
>the results of such a personal encounter are fascinatingly
>personal. It is like getting raped, altho being a guy, I can
>never truly relate to that.

I do not doubt for one instant just how disturbing such an event
would/can/is be.

>I do not even begin to understand what, how and why, I only know
>this... to the experiencer, it is more real than real. Very
>real.... very, very real.

>I have been having a dialog with some others in the same boat.
>The most recent discussion led to the issue of reality. We have
>all had recurring dreams. Dreams often leave you with a
>"feeling." The feeling left is real enough, but there is the
>knowledge that the feeling, while very real, is the remnant of a
>dream experience.

When I was a child I used to have a recurring dream about
floating around outside my house at that time. I know about such
a things as Astral travel <can't do it now I'm all grown up :-(
> but it could still have been a dream...

>The experiencer of this abduction phenom is also left with a
>real feeling. However the reason for the feeling is not a dream.
>There is always, or most of the time anyway, the knowledge, firm
>and unshakeable, that there was no dream. This was something
>experienced. I wish I could relate it more clearly than this. An
>example....

This feeling, could it be as intangible as "faith" but just as
convincing?

>I was a rather bright little guy growng up. I knew instinctively
>that there was no Santa Claus. I understood that Captain Video
>was a story. Even at age 3, 4 and thereabouts. My realization of
>what was real and what was imagined was very distinct. My
>parents always knew that I had a pretty good grip on reality.

>But from a very young age, I distinctly remember being able to
>glide along a long, round corridor. I was always in the company
>of some others behind and in front. I floated above the floor
>and every step I took was impossibly long... many many times my
>height.

>The experience was so real, that I would practice, at age 4,
>standing on the bathroom scale, looking at the needle, knowing
>with no doubt whatever, that I could become weightless by
>concentrating hard.

I believe that levitation has been proved and to apply it to something I
mentioned earlier, could it _only_ have been a dream?
>
>Of course, not having Gripple then, I was not able to do so. But
>the memory is still with me today, just as real, just as vivid,
>just as strongly compelling now, as it was 51 years ago... like
>ti was last night.
>
>Associated with that memory is the knowledge that i was able to
>float thru the window, fly up to the "hospital" over my house in
>an ambulance of strange design, to a structure which even today,
>precludes my being able to look up at any structure without the
>gravest of phobic fear... make that terror.
With no insult intended or suggested.
Did you know that childhood fears can pervade even unto retirement?
>
>I am Thomas the doubter. Show me, let me see it, understand it,
>look at it, define it and categorize it. Let me see the damned
>equation. No? Then it does not exist.
That's a shame really, but I can see where you are coming from.
>
>Why then this predelisction over a belief system including
>ascended masters (saints?) and God? Beats the shit outa me.
>Except that I have arrived at it on what remains of my
>intellect.

My belief in God has nothing to do with my intellect, only my
"gut feeling". So I am in awe that you can believe by intellect,
again no insult intended or suggested.

>Steven Hawking was able, thru physics and cosmology, come to the
>conclusion that God can exist in the reality of mathematics and
>physics.

Steven Hawking is a genius without a doubt, so if he says God
can exist how can people doubt it :-)

>Logic when confronted by emotion, has not a chance in this
>reality.

That's for sure :-)

>Dr. Gesundt.
>A very old fool for my age.

Jim you are only as old as the woman you feel, or you are only
as old as you feel, take your pick :-). Me, on some days I feel
a hundred, not bad considering I'm only a third of that.

--

    In an infinite universe infinitely anything is possible.
                       Sean Jones
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