UFO UpDates
A mailing list for the study of UFO-related phenomena
'Its All Here In Black & White'
Location: UFOUpDatesList.Com > 1999 > Jan > Jan 31

Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:01:28 -0600 (CST)
Fwd Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:05:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality 

>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality
>Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 18:13:13 -0500

<snip>

>The critics have to go a little deeper (as I hope Kevin does in
>his book). They have to beyond saying that hypnosis can
>encourage people to make up stories, and show why abductees are
>making up the particular stories they do. Why, for instance, do
>many people who say they've seen abductees working with the
>aliens all say that the abductees are wearing blue uniforms when
>they do it? Has that detail circulated widely in the literature?
>(Not until fairly recently, after many of the original stories
>were told.) Has it been talked about in abductee support groups?
>Are there unreported groups of abductees describing green
>uniforms, or no uniforms at all? These are the kind of questions
>that, in my opinion, the critics should be looking at.
>

Greg,

We're being a little imprecise here, aren't we? "Why do many all
say?" Are you saying that many people (but not all) report blue
uniforms? That all report blue uniforms? If not, what other
color of uniforms are reported?

My favorite color happens to be blue, ditto my son's. The
overwhelming majority of police uniforms (the authority figures
most of us come in daily contact with) also happen to be blue.
Gee, I guess this means aliens share something in common with us
after all: a love of the color blue. Or maybe the aliens are
color blind, or just happen to be out of khaki-colored uniforms?

I don't mean to be snide about this, as it goes to the bottom of
the issue. Obviously, a uniform, or any piece of clothing, has
to be _some_ color. The issue is whether blue supports an alien,
or human, preference for same.

Like Dylan, I suspect that most of us are tangled up in blue. So
what's new?

>Stuart Appelle, in his lengthy JUFOS paper on the abduction
>evidence, suggests that non-abductees should be asked to imagine
>details like this, to determine whether there's some mental
>template or cultural predisposition that leads people toward
>these repeated abduction details. If you ask non-abductees what
>color the uniforms would be, and most of them say that they're
>blue, then it's much less impressive when abductees report that.

Agreed, which is my point above. As for "confirmatory items
previously unreported in the UFO literature" (my phrase, not
yours), I always wonder why we're not subjected to the real
nitty-gritty? That is, do many abductees report soiling their
underwear when they're abruptly lifted out of bed and
transported through a solid wall into a round spaceship,
whereupon they're rudely greyhandled by aliens and helpers in
blue uniforms? I think I would! Yet to the best of my knowledge,
I can't think of a single case in which a good crap in the pants
has come to light. Not prurient, just curious. Advanced as they
are, I feel sure that the aliens have come to grips with this
unexpected side-effect of their activities. Indeed, maybe this
explains the presence of the helpers in blue, after all. They're
there to clean up!

>As Stuart [Appelle] and others have also pointed out, there
>hasn't been enough research on hypnosis.

Agreed again. A good Gurdjieffian would argue that we all live
life in what amounts to a state of self-hypnosis. Think about
that the next time you watch TV.

<snip>

>I know, of
>course, that the whole question of recovered memory is
>considered very dicey these days, but there's impressive
>evidence from Lenore Terr, among other psychologists, that some
>recovered memories are genuine. That is, the recovered memories
>can be corroborated. Corroboration, as always, is the key.

Percentages alone would guarantee you that. After all, why
should _all_ memories recovered under hypnosis be considered
false by definition? No one has ever suggested that you lie, and
only lie, under hypnosis.

As for corroboration, I couldn't agree more. At the same time,
I'm still waiting for the first medical corroboration of a
missing fetus in association with an abduction account, along
with evidence of a demonstrably extraterrestrial implant.
Feeling blue about the lack of same, too, aren't you?

>One last thought:

<snip>

>Elizabeth Loftus and others have proved that memories can be
>implanted by ordinary questioning, no hypnosis required. Should
>we now prohibit testimony from any witness who was ever
>interrogated by police?


Good question. Suppose the answer depends on to what extent you
think Loftus has proved her case. Certainly cases have been
thrown out of court because of the way (or extent) in which
witnesses were interrogated. The question here is how _casual_
is the implantation of false memories, not whether the
phenomenon exists or not. _All_ memory is somewhat deficient by
definition, a memory of the thing never being the thing itself.

>We need to use a little common sense when we talk about memory.
>Recovered memories are tricky, no doubt about it. But some of
>the writing from critics of recovered memory makes you wonder
>how any of us could ever trust our minds at all. That was one
>feeling I had after reading Elizabeth Loftus's book (she being
>the psychologist most cited in attacks on recovered memories). I
>wondered what she does when, like all of us at some time or
>other, she mislays her car keys. The rest of us aren't surprised
>when, after a few minutes of hapless searching, the light bulb
>suddenly goes off in our heads. "Oh, right! I put them on the
>coffee table when I went into the bedroom to change my pants!"

>So we look on the coffee table, and find the keys. Poor Loftus,
>though -- if she takes what she writes in her book a little too
>seriously, she'd reject a sudden memory like that. After all,
>she's shown in her research how false they can be. She's
>probably still looking for her car keys....


It so happens that I did misplace my car keys yesterday.
Subsequently, I had at least three or four memory flashes as to
where they were. One of them turned out to be right. What were
the others? I forget.

Dennis


[ Next Message | Previous Message | This Day's Messages ]
This Month's Index |

UFO UpDates Main Index

UFO UpDates - Toronto - Operated by Errol Bruce-Knapp


Archive programming by Glenn Campbell at Glenn-Campbell.com