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Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:31:53 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:20:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality

>Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:19:32 -0500
>From: Peter Brookesmith Mendoza <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>

>With the compliments of the Duke of Mendoza:

>>Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:18:31 -0800 (PST)
>>From: Rebecca Keith <xiannekei@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: Abduction - The Issue Of Reality
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

>Rebecca (hi sunbeam!) quoted Greg--

>>>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Re: 1999 UFO Alien Abduction Conference Announced
>>>Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:43:26 -0500

>>>But typically abduction skeptics don't even mention the full
>>>range of possible abduction evidence -- for instance, the claim
>>>made by some abduction investigators that abductees corroborate
>>>even tiny unpublished details in each others' reports.

>and asked

>>I'm just guessing here, but perhaps Brookesmith mentions
>>something similar in his abduction book? Doesn't he interview
>>Betty Hill who says something about abductees getting together
>>at group meeting and comparing notes?

>This is certainly in the Fortean Times version of my evening
>with Betty. The interview is available on the FT website. I
>can't remember if it's in the book.
>In a post wirtten so long ago I cannot quote it, Greg implicitly
>took me to task for not following up or mentioning some of these
>"tiny unpublished details" in my book ("Alien Abductions",
>Barnes & Noble (USA), Blandford (UK), ISBN 0-7607-0764-2).


The esteemed Mr. Peritonitis D. Mallificarum wrote:

(Who I miss hearing from BTW! <g>)

>The other "tiny unpublished detail" of which I know anything,
>and have seen an example or two, is the "alien script" recorded
>by Budd Hopkins. Greg, John Powell, John Velez and others
>including yrs trly discussed ways of researching their
>authenticity at length about two years ago on this list, but
>that may have been before it was archived on the Web. I gather
>Prof Stuart Appelle is doing something about these, but whether
>he's taken up any of the ideas we kicked around I don't know.
>But the reasonable demand was made of me that I didn't reproduce
>any of this "alien writing", as that could mess up later data,
>and I was happy to go along with that.

Peter if you would, (or anyone else with a plausible theory)
'riddle me' this;

During one of these 'encounters' I was _told_ to study and
remember a "symbol" that was (projected?) onto a screen. Within
this "symbol" were characters or glyphs of a kind I had never
seen before. I was instructed to do this by a small 'nonhuman'
being. A 'Grey' for lack of a better term. (They're much
'whiter' in color than 'grey.' It's why I've never really
understood that 'designation!') Anyway, . . .

Budd asked me after a hypnosis session on this particular event
if I could reproduce the "characters/glyphs" for him. To which I
replied, "sure, I'm an artist gimme a pencil." I then (as
carefully as I could) drew what I had been shown. The next thing
that happened although incidental to this account had a
tremendous impact on me at the time. When I handed the paper
over to Budd, the blood drained out of his face! (It's hard to
fake that!)

He asked me to relax for a moment and told me that he'd be back
in a minute or two. He returned clutching a plastic (purple)
folder to his chest, and before he'd show it to me, he made me
_promise_ him that I would never reproduce what he was about to
show me. His reason was, that he only possesed a 'few' items
that hadn't been published all over the place that he used to
assist him in identifying cases that begged closer inspection. A
tool of 'verification' so to speak.

He placed the folder in front of me and opened it. Inside, (at
the time) there were approximately seven or eight pieces of
paper. Each page was handwritten, most in ink, and maybe one or
two in pencil or a marker. Each page had a few or many (it
varied from page to page) of the same "glyphs/characters" that I
had just drawn. I sat there in complete shock as I began to
notice _identical_ characters (to the ones I had drawn) on
_each_ of these papers. They were _all_ in a different hand
(written by different folks) and the dates at the top of the
pages ranged years apart.

Please bear in mind that before this I had -never- seen anything
like what I had drawn and was now seeing on these papers. Before
reading Budds book Missing Time (which brought me to him,) I had
never read _any_ of the UFO literature, had never attended a
conference or a lecture on the subject, nor was I even familiar
with most of the details being reported by others about UFO
abductions. (I _had_ heard about the Betty and Barney Hill case
although I was completely unfamiliar with the 'details' of it.)

I am also not Uri Geller or Jean Dixon so there was no way that
I "psychically" pulled these 'letters' out of the air or somehow
mentally 'sussed' the contents of that folder. (Although it
_would_ be compelling evidence for 'remote viewing' if true!)
But I don't think that was the case here.

As I gazed at the pages, I began to realize that at least parts
of what I recalled were rooted in events being shared by others.
That there was a "reality" to all of it that was being confirmed
for me in a very "in your face" kind of way. It was one of many
such "confirmations" that I have gotten along the way. On that
particular day my world view suffered a severe shock and all I
could do at the time was to break down and weep. The enormity of
what this incident suggested was almost too much to bear. All I
could think to say to Budd after seeing those papers was, "My
God, this is all real!"

Now I would like to ask;

Not being psychic, and never having seen anything like those
characters before (at least not before the UFO abduction
experience) _how_ could I have reproduced _exactly_ what was
written by the others on those pages? Unless we all saw the same
thing under the same circumstances. As far as I can see, it
cannot be explained in any other plausible way. It's too freaky.
It would just be too much of a fluke/stretch for something like
that to be explained any other way.

The experience itself had happened almost _17_ years before this
session with Budd. Yet the 'letters' I reproduced appeared on
each and every page! And _everyone_ a complete stranger to me.
There was absolutely no possibility of 'collaboration' because
at the time I had not attended any of Budds' group meetings. I
hadn't met any of the others.

Now here's the kicker:  I saw that writing on board a UFO.
(1976) The 'others' claim to have seen theirs in the same
place.(on board a UFO) and at different times, and different
locations. I considered it a _confirming_ revelation and
compelling evidence for the 'reality' of the original

What do _you_ make of it? It's quite a cute conundrum.

Yes, the pages (including mine and several others that Budd has
accumulated since my session) are now at Cornell Univ. in the
hands of Stewart Appelle. 'Supposedly' being analysed. (Senior
Sandow: any word on that yet?)

>Anyway--all this is a long-winded way of saying that these
>"details" haven't been discussed by skeptics, and by this one
>in particular, for practical reasons rather than lack of
>scruple or inability to cope with the shocking implications, de

Ah yes, you are an honorable lad in _all_ the ways that count
Mendoza. Why I luv your skeptical hide so. Not to mention that
'wit' of yours that has sent me diving to the floor on _many_
occasions clutching my sides laughing as real tears steamed down
my cheeks. :)

Hope you have the time to consider and respond. I'd find your
'take' on this of interest.

Warm regards,

John Velez, O.O.H.E  (Out Of House Experiencer)
"Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."

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