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Re: Kenneth Arnold's Saucer-like Descriptions

From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 23:13:18 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:09:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold's Saucer-like Descriptions


>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:26:34 -0500
>From: Peter Brookesmith Mendoza <DarkSecretPB@compuserve.com>
>Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold's Saucer-like Descriptions
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


Noting that this is a new location for my web site:


Under the topic, "The Flying Saucer Genesis", there remains the
following feature:

First Radio Interview with Kenneth Arnold; 25 June 1947

By John Powell

The following is thought to be (considered to be) the first
public interview Kenneth Arnold gave regarding his sighting.
Thanks go to Mike Christol for providing the audiotape. JP.


The nation, every newscaster, and every newspaper across the
nation has made headlines out of it, and this afternoon we are
honored, indeed, to have here in our studio this man, Kenneth
Arnold, who, we believe, may be able to give us a first-hand
account and give you the same on what happened.

Kenneth, first of all if you'll move up here to the microphone
just a little closer, we'll ask you to just tell in your own
fashion, as you told us last night in your hotel room, and again
this morning, what you were doing there and how this entire
thing started.  Go ahead, Kenneth.


Well, about 2:15 I took off from Chehalis, Washington, en route
to Yakima, and, of course, every time that any of us fly over
the country near Mt. Rainier, we spend an hour or two in search
of the Marine plane that's never been found that they believe is
in the snow someplace southwest of that particular area.  That
area is located at about, it's elevation is about 10,000 foot,
and I had made one sweep in close to Mt. Rainier and down one of
the canyons and was dragging it for any types of objects that
might prove to be the Marine ship, uh, and as I come out of the
canyon there, was about 15 minutes, I was approximately 25 to 28
miles from Mt. Rainier, I climbed back up to 9200 feet and I
noticed to the left of me a chain which looked to me like the
tail of a Chinese kite, kind of weaving and going at a terrific
speed across the face of Mt. Rainier.  I, at first, thought they
were geese because it flew like geese, but it was going so fast
that I immediately changed my mind and decided it was a bunch of
new jet planes in formation.

Well, as the planes come to the edge of Mt. Rainier flying at
about 160 degrees south, I thought I would clock them because it
was such a clear day, and I didn't know where their destination
was, but due to the fact that I had Mt. Saint Helens and Mt.
Adams to clock them by, I just thought I'd see just how fast
they were going, since among pilots we argue about speed so
much.  And, they seemed to flip and flash in the sun, just like
a mirror, and, in fact, I happened to be in an angle from the
sun that seemed to hit the tops of these peculiar looking things
in such a way that it almost blinded you when you looked at them
through your plexiglass windshield.

Well, uh, I uh, it was about one minute to three when I started
clocking them on my sweep second hand clock, and as I kept
looking at them, I kept looking for their tails, and they didn't
have any tail. I thought, well, maybe something's wrong with my
eyes and I turned the plane around and opened the window, and
looked out the window, and sure enough, I couldn't find any
tails on 'em.  And, uh, the whole, our observation of these
particular ships, didn't last more than about two and a half
minutes and I could see them only plainly when they seemed to
tip their wing, or whatever it was, and the sun flashed on them.
They looked something like a pie plate that was cut in half with
a sort of a convex triangle in the rear. Now, I thought, well,
that maybe they're jet planes with just the tails painted green
or brown or something, and I didn't think too much of it, but
kept on watching them.

They didn't fly in a conventional formation that's taught in our
army, they seemed to kind of weave in and out right above the
mountaintops, and I would say that they even went down into the
canyons in several instances, oh, probably a hundred feet, but I
could see them against the snow, of course, on Mt. Rainier and
against the snow on Mt. Adams as they were flashing, and against
a high ridge that happens to lay in between Mt. Rainier and Mt.
Adams.  But when I observed the tail end of the last one passing
Mt. Adams, and I was at an angle near Mt. Rainier from it, but I
looked at my watch and it showed one minute and 42 seconds.
Well, I felt that was pretty fast and I didn't stop to think
what the distance was between the two mountains.  Well, I landed
at Yakima, Washington, and Al Baxter was there to greet me and
he said ...[unintelligible]... and, he told me, I guess I better
change my brand, but he kind of gave me a mysterious sort of a
look that maybe I had seen something, he didn't know, and well,
I just kind of forgot it then, until I got down to Pendleton and
I began looking at my map and taking measurements on it and the
best calculation I could figure out, now even in spite of error,
would be around 1200 miles an hour, because making the distance
from Mt. Rainier to Mt. Adams, in, we'll say approximately two
minutes, it's almost, well, it'd be around 25 miles per minute.

Now allowing for air, we can give them three minutes or four
minutes to make it, and they're still going more than 800 miles
an hour, and to my knowledge, there isn't anything that I've
read about, outside of some of the German rockets, that would go
that fast.  These were flying in more or less a level, constant
altitude.  They weren't going up and they weren't going down.
They were just simply flying straight and level and I, I laughed
...[unintelligible]..., they sure must have had a tailwind. But
it didn't seem to help me much.  But to the best of my
knowledge, and the best of my description, that is what I
actually saw, and, uh, like I told the Associated Press, I'll,
I'd be glad to confirm it with my hands on a Bible because I did
see it, and whether it has anything to do with our army or our
intelligence or whether it has to do with some foreign country,
I don't know. But I did see it and I did clock it and I just
happened to be in a beautiful position to do it and it's just as
much a mystery to me as it is to everyone else who's been
calling me the last 24 hours, wondering what it was.


Well, Kenneth, thank you very much.  I know that you've
certainly been busy these last 24 hours, 'cause I've spent some
of the time with you myself, and I know that the press
associations, both Associated Press and our press, the United
Press, has been right after you every minute.  The Associated
and the United Press, all over the nation, have been after this
story.  It's been on every newscast, over the air, and in every
newspaper I know of.  The United Press in Portland has made
several telephone calls here at Pendleton to me, and to you this
morning, and from New York I understand, they are after this
story, and that we may have an answer ...[unintelligible]...
because, if it is some new type of army or navy secret missile,
there would probably a story come out on it from the army or
navy asking, saying that it is a new secret plane and that will
be all there is to it, and they will hush up the story, or
perhaps that we will finally get a definite answer to it.

I understand the United Press is checking on it out of New York
now with the Army, and also with the Navy, and we hope to have
some concrete answer before nightfall.  We certainly want to
thank you, Kenneth for coming into our studio.  We feel very
pleased that this news which is making nationwide news across
the country, we are able to give our listeners over KWRC a
first-hand report direct from you, of what you saw.  And we urge
our listeners to keep tuned to this station, because anytime
this afternoon or this evening, and we get something on it on
our United Press teletype, which is in direct communications
with new York, Chicago, Portland, in fact, every United Press
bureau across the nation, why, we'll have it on the air".

An audio file recording part of this historic testimony is also
on my web site.

Regarding assertions that Arnold would never conceivably have
described the objects as flying "like a saucer would if you
skipped it across the water"..

In Bruce Maccabee's detailed commentary 'The Complete Sighting
Report of Kenneth Arnold, with Comments and Analysis', also
available on my web site with Bruce's permission, Bruce notes
that Arnold later wrote in 'The Coming of the Saucers':

"They didn't fly like any aircraft I had ever seen before. In
the first place their echelon formation was backward from that
practiced by our Air Force. The elevation of the first craft was
greater than that of the last. They flew in a definite formation
but erratically. As I described them at the time their flight
was like speed boats on rough water or similar to the tail of a
Chinese kite that I once saw blowing in the wind. Or maybe it
would be best to describe their flight characteristics as very
similar to a formation of geese, in a rather diagonal chain-like
line, as if they were linked together. As I put it to newsmen in
Pendleton, Oregon, they flew like a saucer would if you skipped
it across the water".

Which seems to be Arnold's acknowledgement that he did indeed
attribute this exact characteristic to the objects.

'Saucer -shaped', alas, they were not.

Perhaps, as I'm sure you may concur, the most obvious question
is; realising that Arnold's pivotal 'UFO' sighting was in fact
of objects which "looked something like a pie plate that was
cut in half with a sort of a convex triangle in the rear", and
these were indeed the genesis of what came to be called
'flying saucers'.. can anyone point us in the direction of a
comparative observation to what Kenneth Arnold actually

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