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Strieber & Ventura Country UFO Footage

From: Steve Neill <neill@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:20:00 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:08:43 -0400
Subject: Strieber & Ventura Country UFO Footage

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 >Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:35:01
 >To: updates@globalserve.net
 >From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk>
 >Subject: Strieber Rallies UFO Faithful, Rails Against 'Denial'


 >A glowing sphere lopes across the night sky over Camarillo, CA,
 >on Thanksgiving, 1998. With a long rigid projection fixed at a
 >skewed angle and tipped with a smaller spherical projection, it
 >is unlikely to be a weather balloon. It teases the camera, then
 >explodes in a blast of flaming debris….

To whom it may concern.

The video tape of the UFO over Camarillo was shot by me, Steve
Neill. Whitley doesn't bother to mention this and I alone with
Roger Leir as an observer video taped the UFO.

Whitley, months ago, asked for the tape to take for this lab and I
have not been able to get back the original tape. I'm being
avoided which puts Whitley in a worst spot light than he already
is. All I want is the tape back.

These kind of actions on his part are not good. Thought you
should know. It's this kind of thing that caused my departure
from the UFO community for good. If you didn't see my message
attached is a copy.

Steve Neill




Steve Neill, Renowned
UFO Researcher and
Artist, Quits UFOlogy
 From Steve Neill <neill@gte.net>

After being involved in the most serious UFO research and direct
experiences with ET all my life, the behavior of most of the UFO
community has become such a disgrace, so vile and demented, that
I have decided to withdraw from the field permanently.

All the petty, infantile mudslinging and politics, the
backstabbing and throat-slitting, the egos and the liars, the
radio cult figures, the betrayal of 'friendships' have all
overshadowed the critical issues at hand...and have often made a
virtual laughing stock of anyone who innocently tries to tell
the truth.

The UFO 'community' is its own worst enemy. Any respect this
field might have had or been due to receive has been destroyed
by the actions of many, if not most, of the key players
involved. I say *most* involved because there are some very good
professional people in the field...but they are a relative few
and maintain low profiles for the most part.

After many, many years of involvement and serious study, I have
regrettably had to accept that many of the good people who come
into contact with this subject are often destroyed by it, and
can lose family, friends and even their careers because of the
fighting and manipulation and treachery running rampant.

Perhaps the people who designed and implemented the 50 year UFO
cover-up are right. Perhaps they know exactly what they were -
and are - doing. Perhaps they realized it by simply watching the
behavior of the UFO 'community' and knew better than to give
this biggest secret of all to the masses. Without doubt, if the
world at-large acted like the UFO 'community'...the world might
well stop...the engine of society gagging itself to a dead stall
after choking on the outrageous lies, deceit, fraud, hate, and
hoaxes that so permeate the UFO 'culture' these days.

In retrospect, perhaps some of my own actions have been
irresponsible and may have unwittingly contributed to the stress
and downfall of some...in the sense that my experiences
terrified them and set up an opportunity for hustlers to play on
the underlying current of exaggeration, fear, and anxiety that
hearing these experiences can bring about. Somewhat naievely, I
thought it was important that people know and that it might help
some of them. But for all those I helped, I may have done a
disservice to many more.

It can be reckless to alarm the public, even if you do have
proof. We should think more of what the 'truth' could do to
those who hear it...instead of what it can do for we who know.
This isn't a warning about pollution or some social injustice
but of an invasion by beings from another world(s) who have
*total control* over us. And we, as a species, haven't a clue.
That kind of knowledge can destroy one's ambition, social
parameters, and, in some extreme cases, even the will to live.
This we cannot allow to happen. Certainly, many humans may be
'ready' for the 'truth' but given the current state of the
world...and the strangle hold on over half the world's
population by organized 'religion'...the results would be

Finally, it would be a much better use of our time if we pursued
issues we CAN control in order to provide a real future for our
children...those who can still think for themselves.

Have any of you talked to a 16 year old lately? Many of our own
children, tomorrow's 'leaders,' have very little hope for the
future. They often live for the moment and the next high (drugs
or otherwise) and their heroes are all too often dark
'movements,' and dark rock bands with their dark and ugly
lyrics, dark video games of death and terror, and dark thought
which is spawned and nurtured in their young minds by the
greed-obsessed 'entertainment' industry and other mass-mind
control mechanisms. What happened to the The Beatles and John
Glenn? What happened to at least the idea of morals and positive
values? Responsibility? Accountability? What happened to the
concept of 'giving'?

The same egomania and self-aggrandizement that fuels the morons
who top the pop music charts is found in the UFO 'community' as
well. Oh yes, the vocabulary is a little more astute but don't
kid yourself, it's the same old rocket-to-stardom "I wanna be a
star" syndrome.

In the UFO 'community' theft of others' research has replaced
the real thing. Many 'researchers' go to conferences and on
radio programs and simply spew various mixtures of other
peoples' data...begged, borrowed, and just plain stolen. When is
the last time you heard someone unique...who actually said
something 'new'? It doesn't happen very often.

It's time to try to reach back to being the great beings we
were...and are...so that we may reach ahead and make it to that
future which holds so much promise. We went to the Moon over 30
years ago and what a proud moment it was.

Now it's time to journey to Mars...and the stars beyond...where
one day WE will become the aliens. Let's give the world
something positive for a change. For starters, let's stop
knocking NASA. Sure, every agency has its problems but overall
they've done more to help this planet and its people then any of
you UFO folks will ever hope to do. It's stupid to make an enemy
out of the very people who have the keys to our own Starship.

I know some of you will be offended by my actions and my words.
You wouldn't expect it from Steve Neill of all people. Well,
it's time to wake up and smell the coffee, you don't know 10% of
what you think you do. After all, there is life after UFOs and
it's a great one I plan on living. My efforts at this point are
to shift back to what I was doing before all this started...to
promoting manned space exploration anyway I can. You will
already see examples of this redirected energy on my website and
there will be more to come.

All the Universe or Nothingness.

The choice is ours.

Neill <neill@gte.net


A brief comment on one Robert A. M. Stephens. If you strip away
the foul language (which he claims to use only to respond to
people who abuse him), you might just see the UFO community's
own karma coming home to roost. The chances of this man 'just
happening' to stumble into this arena are about zero. If nothing
else, he has exposed many of the biggest frauds and egos, and
most guilty corruptors of reality. He has also held up a mirror
to UFOlogy...forcing it to look at it's own ugly face. He has
shown how it has defiled its own opportunity to make an orderly
and intelligent advance into our immediate future. Robert A. M.
Stephens is a symptom of serious trouble...and, just perhaps, he
is the bitter medicine that could start a cure. Only time will



Mr. Neill,

Four years ago I went to work for a company that supplied its
software engineers with access to the internet. I began reading
alt.aliens.visitors at that time. This was about the time that
the Alien Autopsy film was debuting. Also there was Bob Lazar
and the tunnels and Jim Lear's stories. For the first time I was
able to see a large piece of the picture as I have been a UFO
follower since the '50s when I was a boy. Since then I have an
internet connection in my home as well and my first web page
each day is the Jeff Rinse Sightings page. I have never listened
to Jeff's radio programs as they are not available in this area
(DFW), but the type of news his page reports is what I'm
interested in. Current events including the UFO news! If it were
not for people like yourself in the UFO field dedicated to the
truth, I would not be as informed as I am today in these
matters. Truly it must be very frustrating to have to deal with
the liars, thieves and debunkers, but somehow we the public
thinkers can pretty well tell who is lying and who is not. We
have time on our side and can watch the communities credible
member's reactions and wait 'til the dust settles. We are not
stupid! I have known for years that the alien presence is here,
don't ask how, I just have known. Call it a slow arousal from a
deeper sleep, call it higher concious- ness or whatever, the
point is most thinking people know the truth. I want to take
this opportunity to thank you for your effort in this field and
wish you the best in the future. Mars is an exciting next step
and I have been aware that NASA's effort has redoubled toward
it. Thinking back a few years, the thing that stands out in my
mind is that panoramic composite picture sent back from the tiny
Mars rover. Incredible! The problems that plague our world are
gripping to say the least. Such varying awareness spans the
planet, from primitive natives to sophisticated engineers and
technicians, from the spiritually deprived to corrupt
politicians. The span is great, but time is on our side, time
has a way of bringing birth to new thoughts, to new beginnings
and peace.

Have a nice day,

Woody Pope Engineer, guitar player and UFO buff


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