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Nick Pope - The Ministry of Defence Respond

From: James Easton <voyager@ukonline.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 05:47:53 +0100
Fwd Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 03:37:30 -0400
Subject: Nick Pope - The Ministry of Defence Respond


Voyager Newsletter - Issue No. 8

* Nick Pope - The Ministry of Defence Respond *


On 7 August, 1999, I published the following:

'An Open Letter to Nick Pope'

Dear Nick,

In the July issue of 'NICK POPE'S WEIRD WORLD', you wrote:

"Over the past few months I'd been becoming more bullish in my
response to certain people within ufology who'd been sniping at
me over the years. Nobody likes criticism, and I'd been getting
a fair bit - little of it constructive in nature. If people were
criticising my views on, say, Roswell, then fine. I wasn't
there, and so my view probably counts no more or no less than
anybody else who's followed the case with a reasonable degree of
interest. But it rankled when outsiders who'd probably never
even visited MOD Main Building started casting doubts on my
knowledge about - and access to - government and military UFO
files. I've worked for the MOD for over fourteen years now, and
three of those were spent researching and investigating UFO
sightings, alien abductions, crop circles, animal mutilations
and any other weird and wonderful reports that came my way".


I trust I'm not one of the aforementioned 'critics' and perhaps
you can help clear up some of the confusion which surrounds a
number of claims.

To recap; your appointment with the Ministry of Defence (MoD)
was as an Executive Officer. To clarify for the 'uninitiated'
(I'm a former Civil Servant), the standard grading hierarchy is
clerical assistant - clerical officer - executive officer -
higher executive officer - and upwards.

Although your affirmation clearly gives the impression of being
HM Government's full-time investigator of "UFO sightings, alien
abductions, crop circles, animal mutilations", etc., I
understand that was not the situation.

Weren't your duties varied and 'UFO etc. reports' only one
aspect? In possibly the first 'promotional' interview you gave,
to 'UFO Magazine' (UK) on 5 May, 1996, it was stated:

UFO Magazine: When did you join this office, and indeed, were
you aware of its function?

Nick Pope: I've been in the Ministry of Defence since 1985. We
are just 'posted around' every two or three years to acquire
experience. I had just finished various duties associated with
the Gulf War and it just so happened that there was a vacancy
which cropped-up. Also in this office was a chap I had worked
with quite closely with Gulf War duties and he offered me the
job. I was aware that UFO research was one of its functions.

UFO: Was this the reason you switched departments?

Nick Pope: I was certainly interested, it sounded fascinating,
but I was quite keen to get out of my old job. [End]

As you said, "UFO research was one of its functions".

Can you please clarify what the job title was and its other
functions?

What percentage of your appointment was actually spent on 'UFO
etc.' related matters?

Was it, for example, a situation where the 'UFO etc.' duties
took up, approximately, 75 percent of your time, 50 percent, or
did they only perhaps demand a few hours per week, maybe even,
over a period of three years, average a few hours each month?

It's obviously of interest to know how much emphasis our
government put on this and whether it continues to do so.


On the question of any 'cover-up', you helpfully confirmed and
have maintained this had no substance whatsoever. Typical of
your response was the one given to Michael Lindemann, editor of
'CNI News', on November 17, 1996, during a 'UFO conference' at
Blackpool.

Lindemann asked, "This seemingly irrational denial of
significant UFO events could be interpreted as evidence of a
deliberate cover-up. What are your views on that?".

To which you replied, "I found no evidence to support a cover-up
in Britain. I think, without trying to sound too arrogant, that
I would have gotten a few hints in three years if there had been
someone doing my job but on a covert basis, not least because
the one thing they would have needed beyond anything else was
access to the raw data of the witnesses, and never once in three
years had any witness complained that I had sent someone around
to the house".

 >From your experiences, the Ministry of Defence's opinion on the
subject was emphasised in the 'UFO Magazine' interview. Asked,
"One gets the impression that the MoD consider the UFO phenomenon
totally irrelevant?", you accepted, "That's correct".

Naturally, this included the 1980 'Rendlesham forest' case,
where it's now proven from the original witness testimonies I
obtained, that the 'UFO' sightings involved a two mile pursuit
of a light which turned out to be the Orfordness lighthouse
beacon.

Your assessment on the MoD's reaction to Col. Halt's 'UFO'
report was again perhaps best clarified in that pivotal 'UFO
Magazine' interview:

"My best assessment of what happened next is - absolutely
nothing! The report was written on the 13th January and when it
arrived at Whitehall, whoever was doing the job didn't have the
faintest idea what to do with it, probably took one look at it
and said, what am I supposed to do? I am afraid to say it simply
ended up in a file".

Also from that interview:

UFO Magazine: Was there a cover-up?

Nick Pope: No. Not in the MoD - I think the MoD's response was
just ineffective.

UFO Magazine: That's a very big statement?

Nick Pope: Yes, but if something of that magnitude was reported
and simply placed on file, then what else can you say?
[End]

As you may know, there will be a book published on the
'Rendlesham' case next year, with the stated intention of
exposing a grandiose cover-up, witnessed threatened, etc.

We trust your 'inside knowledge' is a more reliable appraisal
and you can be called on to testify to same, although it has
been stated you will be writing the foreword to this book, which
seems difficult to equate. Does that imply you maybe didn't have
access to the 'secret' information after all, or is it simply
that any cover-up didn't involve the MoD?


One comment you made to 'UFO Magazine' was, "There is not some
great mysterious organisation which is actually getting on with
the bread and butter of investigation, whilst I sent out
standard letters".

In a later interview, given to Clas Svahn of UFO Sweden and
published in 'Narkontakt', you reportedly stated, "And I get the
impression that, too use a coin of phrase - the X-Files has been
closed down. They've gone back to the bad old days where they
just send out standard letters and I think the investigation
they do now is at absolute minimum".

If you were sending out standard letters, what had changed?

I'm sure you will agree that our Government's position on 'UFO
research' would benefit from overall clarification and
Secretariat(Air Staff)2a1a have been asked to comment on these
points, especially how much time has been and remains allocated
to, as you put it, "researching and investigating UFO sightings,
alien abductions, crop circles, animal mutilations and any other
weird and wonderful reports".


It would be remiss not to take this opportunity to attempt one
final elucidation. In the 'Narkontakt' article, it's noted:

"Nick Pope is now completing the manuscript of his next book. The
theme is 'abduction'.

And we have information that the crescendo of the book will be
Nick Pope's own abduction. The previous defence-expert suspects
that he as well as his girlfriend was taken aboard a spaceship
when the passed a car-toll some years ago".

The transcript of an on-line question and answer conference
dated 23 May 1998, records that that your response to the
question 'why did you think you had been abducted by aliens',
was, "I don't recall ever claiming that I had been!"

Apparently _someone_ claimed you had been and the story was
included in the draft manuscript for your 'alien abductions'
book.

As you can imagine, a number of people are confused by this
paradox.

Is there an emphatic denial that this story was ever in the
draft manuscript?


I trust this are all reasonable and relevant questions.

Your reply would be greatly appreciated and certainly not only
by myself.

Please feel free to reply directly.


Best wishes,

James Easton.
E-mail: voyager@ukonline.co.uk
[END]


Although Nick Pope hasn't to my knowledge responded to these
questions and is of course absolutely under no obligation to, I
have now received a reply from 'Secretariat(Air Staff)2a'
concerning some of the aforementioned questions.

The Ministry state:

"Mr Pope was employed as an Executive Officer in Secretariat
(Air Staff) 2. His post was designated Sec(AS)2a.

The main duties of the post concern non-operational RAF
activities overseas and diplomatic clearance for military
flights abroad".

It would therefore appear that Nick Pope's principal function
was generally more mundane than "researching and investigating
UFO sightings, alien abductions, crop circles, animal
mutilations and any other weird and wonderful reports that came
my way".


On the significant question of how much emphasis is placed on
'UFO' related matters in the post which Nick Pope occupied, the
Ministry confirm:

"A small percentage of time is spent dealing with reports from
the public about alleged 'UFO' sightings and associated public
correspondence".


Asked if they would please comment on Pope's publicised claim
that, "I've worked for the MOD for over fourteen years now, and
three of those were spent researching and investigating UFO
sightings, alien abductions, crop circles, animal mutilations
and any other weird and wonderful reports that came my way", the
Ministry write:

"The Ministry of Defence has not investigated a case of alien
abduction, crop circle formations or animal mutilation".


Seemingly greatly at odds with Pope's recollections of his
tenure, one can only surmise how this can be reconciled, as with
his own 'abduction by aliens', which it has been verified was
seen in the draft manuscript of Pope's book on 'alien
abductions', yet for some reason didn't appear in the subsequent
publication.


My extreme gratitude to the Ministry for responding to enquiries
and providing an unprecedented clarification, especially as they
are normally reticent to commit such information to print.

Having hopefully established a congenial rapport, I have asked if
they could additionally clarify whether any 'UFO' or related
reports are currently handled outwith 'Secretariat(Air Staff)2a'
and if so, could they please provide full details.


Consequent to the Ministry of Defence's official statements, some
may surmise that Nick Pope's memoirs, together with his literary
agents' presumably approved promotion of same, require to be
reviewed in perspective.

Perhaps now able to be fully appreciated in this new, directly
MoD involved context, is the following, posted to the 'UFO
UpDates' mailing list:

Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:38:08
To: updates@globalserve.net
From: Stig Agermose <stig.agermose@get2net.dk>
Subject: Nick Pope's New Book

A press release by KULTURE SHOCK (sic!) of Norwich, England.

Source: 'uk.rec.ufo'.

From: who@kulture.demon.co.uk (Kulture Shock)
Newsgroups: uk.rec.ufo
Subject: UFO SPECIALIST APPEARING
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:00:17 GMT

KULTURE SHOCK
10-12 St Benedicts Street, Norwich. NR2 4AG
Tel: 01603 625557 Fax: 01603 625558 email:
info@kulture.demon.co.uk

SUNDAY 10TH OCTOBER 1999

MAIL ORDER AVAILABLE

PRESS RELEASE

'Operation Thunder Child'
by Nick Pope

Although ostensibly a techno-thriller, the Ministry of Defence
insisted on seeing the manuscript and making some changes. They
had the book for three months - longer than for most of the
books written by former SAS soldiers - before giving it final
clearance to publish.

Nick Pope has dipped into the 'real x-files', and packed the
book with references to formerly classified UFO events
investigated by the MOD.

Many of the events are thinly disguised versions of the real
events. Fictionalisation is the only way that MOD official Nick
Pope can talk about some of the more controversial incidents.

Examples of reality disguised as fiction include:

1 The Rendlesham Forest incident, which appears in the prologue,
inspired some of, and reflects, what Nick Pope was told by
United Nations Air Force officers.

2 The alleged downing of an RAF Lightning by a UFO in 1970,
which inspired some of the aerial battles that appear throughout
the book.

3 The UFO briefing that the Minister receives in chapter four is
based on a brief Nick Pope gave to a Defence Minister in 1982.
All the incidents described actually occurred.

4 The potential biological hazard from extraterrestrial contact
as described in chapter nine was an issue that Nick Pope raised
with his MOD bosses while on the UFO desk.

5 The descriptions of the shape and capabilities of the UFO's,
and the physical description and behaviour of the aliens are
based on actual UFO reports and alien abduction claims
investigated by Nick Pope as part of his official MOD duties.

Many scenes give insights into 'spin-doctoring' techniques,
showing how Governments manipulate Parliament and the public,
and manage the media.

Nick Pope has worked for the Ministry of Defence for fourteen
years. As well as a tour of duty spent researching and
investigating UFOs he has been involved in highly classified
work on the Gulf War, Bosnia and Kosovo.

This book contains a wealth of authentic detail about rules of
engagement, weapons systems and tactics although some details
have had to be changed for national security reasons.

Nick Pope will be appearing at KULTURE SHOCK on Sunday 10th
October 1999, from 12.30 when he will be talking about his work,
answering questions and signing copies of his books.

Advance booking is advised!

Contact DAVID for further details
[END]


Some notes:

"Examples of reality disguised as fiction include:

1 The Rendlesham Forest incident, which appears in the prologue,
inspired some of, and reflects, what Nick Pope was told by
United Nations Air Force officers".

The 'Rendlesham Forest' incidents primarily involved a
misidentification of Orfordness lighthouse, as documented in the
original witness statements I obtained during 1998.

See:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/enigma.htm

Nick Pope is aware of this.


"5 The descriptions of the shape and capabilities of the UFO's,
and the physical description and behaviour of the aliens are
based on actual UFO reports and alien abduction claims
investigated by Nick Pope as part of his official MOD duties".

Pope's alleged investigation of 'alien abductions' [does this
include his own, reported, 'abduction by alien entities'?] "as
part of his official MOD duties" is now formally refuted by the
Ministry.

Perhaps Nick Pope could comment on these fundamentally
controversial claims.


"Many scenes give insights into 'spin-doctoring' techniques,
showing how Governments manipulate Parliament and the public,
and manage the media".

Some might say that 'spin-doctoring' and media management is
particularly the domain of 'book promotion' press releases!


"Nick Pope has worked for the Ministry of Defence for fourteen
years. As well as a tour of duty spent researching and
investigating UFOs...".

Seems it was more a 'tour of duty' which required his attention
to "non-operational RAF activities overseas and diplomatic
clearance for military flights abroad".


"Nick Pope has dipped into the 'real x-files', and packed the
book with references to formerly classified UFO events
investigated by the MOD.

Examples of reality disguised as fiction include..."


Alternatively... are Nick Pope's claims now proven to be fiction
disguised as reality?

You might think so, I couldn't possibly comment on that.



James Easton,
Editor.

E-mail: voyager@ukonline.co.uk
Voyager On-line: http://web.ukonline.co.uk/voyager/

(c) James Easton
October 1999




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