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Re: Get Real

From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 14:49:47 EDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:13:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Get Real

 >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:19:44 +0100
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk>
 >Subject: Re: Get Real

 >>Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:24:25 -0500
 >>From: Amy Hebert <yelorose@swbell.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Get Real
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

 >>>From: Martin Murray <bubastis@warplink.com>
 >>>To: "Errol Bruce-Knapp" <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>>Subject: Re: Get Real
 >>>Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 03:22:53 -0400

 >>>My own take on this is that although the beings may perceive us
 >>>in the same way that we perceive the animals of this world that
 >>>we capture and test, sometimes for their own good, they are not
 >>>that much above us, despite their extremely advanced technology.


 >>>The more I learn the less these beings
 >>>impress me, and I would certainly love to know what it is that
 >>>they think gives them the right to do what they do.

 >>My point exactly - what is it they think gives them the right to
 >>do what they do?

 >Is this a peculiarly American thing, this emphasis on whether or
 >not aliens have the "right" to do this or that? Or the similar
 >concern that an individuals "rights" are being violated by
 >aliens. I've noticed it in a few posting on this list and
 >elsewhere, and it always seems to be Americans who raise the

It is an American thing, this emphasis on whether or not aliens
have the "right" to do this or that.  Especially when the "this
or the that" is stalking, abducting and performing medical
intrusions on our bodies. Actually, it should be a human thing,
as Americans are not the only ones in this world with rights as
human beings.  In the UK, there are, I presume, safeguards
against the violations of your human rights, are there not?

"Are there no prisons, and the workhouses, I presume they are
still in operation?"  Cripes, John, even Dickens had a little
troube with human rights, eh?

 >Quite apart from the fact that any extraterrestrial aliens that
 >might be hanging around are probably not very bothered by the US
 >Constitution (for all we know their own Constitution might
 >specifically *give* them the right to abduct off-planet life
 >forms), it does suggest that many Americans have an incredibly
 >parochial view of the universe, of which they seem to consider
 >themselves the centre, and where their Constitution has the
 >status of universal Holy Writ.

In the United States, the Constitution _is_ the holy writ, John.
It is the basis of everything having to do with government here.
This Constitution also contains our Bill of RIghts and
Amendments which are designed by the fathers of our country, to
protect us then, now and in the future.  Most Americans live by
it, quote it and refuse to bargain with it.  Which may be why
you hear so much about "RIGHTS" by Americans.

There are other words you may hear often spoken and written
by Americans.  One word is freedom.  It is applied to many
different thingies, like the freedom to speak out, the freedom
to gather, to practice the religion of our choice, etc.

There is one word you don't hear a lot of from Americans, that
is these days.  That word is "responsibility."  Which is too
bad. But we're working on that.

 >The powers of the American Constitution do not run beyond the
 >borders of the USA, and even the UN Declaration of Human Rights
 >does not extend far beyond the surface of this planet.

Uh huh.  So?

 >If aliens are coming from another planet, they can do what the
 >hell they like to us, except in as much as we have the physical
 >power to stop them. To talk about a "right" not to be abducted
 >by aliens is as absurd as talking about a "right" not to be
 >killed in an earthquake or drowned by a tidal wave.

If you feel compelled to give in to Aliens, John, then I suspect
you may feel compelled to give in to other forms of alien.  As I
understand it, the European Common Market is the precursor to
the Country of Europe.  Presumably, as time goes by, you guys
are gonna be happy over that.  Perhaps such is inevitable.

It is likely inevitable here in North America.  But see, the
difference between US and the ROW (the United States and the
Rest of the World) is that it's gonna take one hell of a longer
time for us to feel compelled to give up or give in... t aliens,
or to anyone person, or entity who decides that our Constitution
precludes someone else's right to mess with me or mine.

 >Scary thought. Makes you glad no aliens have ever landed here,
 >doesn't it!

The really scarey thought from my perspective, is that someone
has such little respect for his rights as a human being, let
alone a Brit, or a Yank, or Gort from Mongo.

Get real, John.  You do have rights.  Even if you don't depend
on a piece of paper for them.  And if you choose to forgo those
rights, there are places on this planet you may go to live and
have very few rights indeed.

You don't need aliens as an excuse to give in.

With all due respect,


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