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Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos

From: Roger Evans <raka@swbell.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:18:48 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 16:47:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos

 >From: Kenny Young
 >Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:02:37 -0400
 >Fwd Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 10:43:09 -0400
 >Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos

 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto
 >>From: Jerome Clark
 >>Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos
 >>Date: Sun, 03 Oct 99 18:15:28 PDT

 >Previously, Jerry had written:

 >>Do you know what the adjective "disingenuous" means?  If not,
 >>suffice it to say that you have just provided a living example.
 >>And if you aren't being disingenuous -- which I find hard to
 >>believe -- and genuinely did not know what the discussion is
 >>about, why did you join it at all?

Mr. Young replied:

 >You have been given the opportunity to support some of the wild
 >character assassination' attempts that you claimed to have
 >dealt with, and from your message to UFO UpDates (dated October
 >3, 1999), you have failed to clarify your comments or uphold
 >those wild allegations.

<much needed snip of equally snippy remarks>

 >Now, Jerome Clark, perhaps it is time for you to get off the
 >fence and stand behind the research of Bruce Maccabee, who you
 >have so heartily promoted, or give us some other reason why
 >anyone should pay serious attention to your future comments.

Holy Cow!!!!

Sorry, Bruce, but the only words that come to mind are:

What a huge bunch of crap!

Time for a reality check, folks!

The chronology for this entire affair is butt-simple:

1. Jerry Black made unwarranted attacks on Dr. Maccabbee's

2. Jerome Clark defended him.

3. Jerry Black then made unwarranted attacks on Jerome's
character in response.

4. Jerome Clark then defended himself.

5. Terry Evans then made unwarranted attacks on both Jerry and

6. They both defended themselves.

7. Then Kenny Young jumps in (obviously too lazy to look through
the archives to see what really happened and who started this
mess) and declares Jerome's appropriate responses to such
attacks as "rabid".

Crap. Nothing but Crap.

Jerome Clark and I have disagreed on issues in the past. But I
have never, ever seen him take the first slug at ANYONE. I have
read every posting regarding the Gulf Breeze/Maccabbee affair
and nothing Mr. Young, Mr. Evans, or Mr. Black has suggested as
truth even remotely passes the smell test.

The big question seems to be this:

How in the world can Jerome Clark regard Dr. Maccabbee as an
expert to be trusted on photo analysis if Jerome Clark's own
conclusions are in direct conflict with Dr. Maccabbee's
conclusions regarding Gulf Breeze?

The answer is very, very simple.

Mr. Clark understands Dr. Maccabbee might very well be right
about the Gulf Breeze photos even though his own instinct as a
researcher tells him otherwise. On the other hand, I have yet to
see Dr. Maccabbee say, "These objects are absolutely, without a
doubt, alien spacecraft." despite his inspections of the Gulf
Breeze photos. They recognize the tenuous nature of their
positions despite the confidence in their own skills. More
importantly, neither man is working within a framework of solid
information or facts, therefore, their results cannot be
conclusive nor should they be expected to "jive".

As gentlemen, they simply agree to disagree.

As Mr. Clark and I have in the past.

As a list member, I am embarrassed that Mr. Clark and Dr.
Maccabbee have had to endure such, uh... well... crap.

Sorry, again, Bruce.

later, Roger Evans

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