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Re: From Maxwell Burns

From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:54:12 EDT
Fwd Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:59:43 -0400
Subject: Re: From Maxwell Burns

 >Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:56:49 -0400
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >From: Sue Kovios <bradford@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: From Maxwell Burns

 >>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
 >>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>Subject: Re: From Maxwell Burns
 >>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:56:08 +0100

 >>>From: C. <xxxxx.net>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>>Subject: From Maxwell Burns
 >>>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:35:18 -0000

 >>>Posted for Maxwell Burns

 >>>To UFO UpDates:

 >>>This is the first legal opportunity I have had to speak about
 >>>the case. If the dogs have finished tearing at my flesh I would
 >>>like to enlighten you as to this travesty of British justice.  I
 >>>would also like to talk about the rules of evidence which you
 >>>have heard Matthews, Roberts and Clarke talk about so much.

 >>Have you ever read such nonsense?

 >>Well, on UpDates the answer is probably yes! If anyone wanted
 >>evidence of Burn's inability to face facts, to face reality,
 >>then it's all shown below!

 >>What he entirely fails to mention is that he was found guilty -
 >>not by the Police but by a totally independent jury in one of
 >>the more liberal cities in Northern England - Sheffield is well
 >>known for its;' tolerance in many areas and this is perhaps
 >>something to do with the two major Universities located there.
 >>The judge said that Burns was "some way up the hierarchy" in
 >>terms of drug-dealing in the area and Burns had been targetted
 >>by the drugs squad for some time. Now that we know the truth we
 >>know that Burns had been involved in this evil world for some
 >>time - in other words well before his newly acquired interest in

 >>Just because Burns chose to lie - and answered questions
 >>consistently throughout his interviews with the Police - means
 >>nothing. Just because he wore gloves to avoid finger prints on
 >>the bag of drugs that he was found with by Police - means very

 >>What people should not forget is that in interviews with Dave
 >>Clarke - an aware-winning local journalist (amongst other
 >>things) - Burns admitted he was guilty. He said he expected to
 >>go down for his drug-dealing.

 >>To the moron world of Ufology - where aliens are all around -
 >>Burns probably seems like an innocent man. That's a reflection
 >>upon Ufology - not the criminal justice system in the UK.

 >>Burns also engaged in a hate campaign against my wife and I.
 >>This is a fact. Initially we didn't know who it was - until the
 >>hapless Burns admitted it to another local researcher in a
 >>'private' email.

 >>I live around 15 miles North of the prison that Burns is in.
 >>Perhaps I should drop by with some friends and picket the prison
 >>demanding longer sentences for drug dealers.

 >>We can be sure of one thing. When Burns comes out, I'll be on
 >>his case......

 >>Tim Matthews.

 >Your bone to pick is with Burns.  If he's guilty or not, what if
 >he's telling the truth about his ufological issues?  Do we just
 >let it all slide through the prison bars and down the drain?  Or
 >has is all been fabricated as we all assume a 'druggy' would do?

 >Let's all condemn the man in all aspects of his existence and
 >deny him the right to share any truths that may exist that may
 >contribute to the rest of ufology's puzzle.

 >Would you disown a prostitute and her claims of having an alien
 >living in her basement, that well known researchers have
 >witnessed and spoken to in secrecy, being one of the most
 >compelling cases ever to exist, because she's a prostitute?
 >Probably.  If you found out I was a politician, would you not
 >care about my abduction or sighting experiences anymore?

 >Funny, no one thought to discredit the man until he hit the news
 >stands.  How righteous.

 >I'm not saying I believe everything from everyone, but he was a
 >respected person on this list until his name had mud thrown on
 >it. At what level of being human do we decide someone is no
 >longer believable or not worthy of our attention?  When someone
 >else has a bone to pick with them?  I make up my own mind,
 >thanks. And what shall we find out about those so quick to
 >discredit? ;)

 > Sue

 > "The pure and simple truth is rarely pure, and never simple"
 >                                                - Oscar Wilde

Right on the money Sue ... While it is true that one's
credibility is diminished whenever something such as this
occurs, it is also quite true that:

1) It is sick for some to take such righteous pleasure over the
man's troubles and ...

2) It may (key word) not diminish his credibility in the matter
of his UFO beliefs and/or knowledge.

3) And it all may be a plot to thicken an already corn starched
pot of Oy.

Truth be known, the truth be not known.  These days, when
justice is a game all too often, one cannot even trust those
charged with the administration, determination, investigation
and mitigation of the truth.

The system has lied one too many times.  And as I once opined,
the truth shall set it's fee.  See our Juice Representative, Oy
Jay Simpleton... Sampson... whatever....

See also:

Hurricain Rubin Carter,
John Ford,
J. Jaime Gesundt.

Oy, I can't stay sober even when I try.  I am quite hopeless,
you know.


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