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Re: Get Real

From: Dave Bowden <grafikfx@netscapeonline.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:26:24 +0000
Fwd Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:45:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Get Real


 >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:01:54 -0500
 >From: Amy Hebert <yelorose@swbell.net>
 >Subject: Re: Get Real
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

 >>Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 20:57:28 +0000
 >>From: Dave Bowden <grafikfx@netscapeonline.co.uk>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Get Real

 ><snip>

 >>If they really wanted to wipe your memory... you wouldn't
 >>remember a thing, therefore you would not be able to write to a
 >>mailing list and whine about being abducted right!

 >Actually, Dave, in order for any beings or humans to completely
 >wipe out all of one's memory, he/she/it would have to erase the
 >victim's subconscious (or long term) memory as well as conscious
 >(short term) memories.  In so doing, you would have an
 >infant-mind on your hands who wouldn't remember anything (much
 >like individuals who have experienced open or closed head
 >trauma, stroke, etc.).  If this were done to all abductees, it
 >would begin to attract attention, wouldn't you think?

I'm glad you agree with me.

If what you say is true then why even bother to try and wipe a
human memory?

'Oh hell, what's the point, they'll only remember in the end
anyway!'

 >>Oh, and while we're on the subject, of all the thousands who
 >>claim to be repeatedly abducted, who has ever taken a

 >photograph >of an alien? the odds are that amongst the thousands
 >there must >be someone who set a camera up linked to a motion
 >detector, not >hard to do these days considering our 'changing
 >level of >technology'.

 >Well, Dave, this _is_ your lucky day!

And I don't have many of them, believe me.

 >Just so happens I have a
 >case I investigated for almost 3 years in which multiple
 >witnesses - all in a state of conscious, waking  awareness -
 >encountered a variety of beings over a three day period _and_
 >photographs were taken on the third day in which images of what
 >appear to be beings appeared.  By the way, although I am a
 >certified hypnotherapist, no hypnosis at all was used during
 >this investigation.  All events were recalled according to
 >consciously remembered experiences (events that may have
 >occurred when the witnesses were "knocked out" or unconscious
 >have never been explored).

 >The article and the scanned photographs have been sitting on my
 >web site since December, 1997 but most people tend to reject
 >and/or dismiss it because it does not fit the "typical"
 >abduction scenario.  Beings of all kinds of shapes and sizes
 >were observed by a woman, her family members and another witness
 >who arrived on the third day (the photographer).

 >On the third day of encounters, the family, in a state of terror
 >and shock, called one of their neighbors to come help them.  The
 >neighbor, pseudonym of "Jill", arrived with a camera and began
 >taking photographs of a red-eyed being standing just beyond a
 >sliding glass door in the back yard. Unfortunately, "Jill" was
 >too afraid or forgot to open the glass door and the flash from
 >the camera reflected off the glass door obscuring any images of
 >the red-eyed being.  When she got the photographs back from the
 >photo lab, all she got were pictures with a glare on the glass
 >doors - or so she thought.

Well don't it just always happen.

 >Upon closer inspection, a friend turned one of the photos over
 >on it's side and recognized the outline of what appeared to be a
 >being in a fetal position going through a sliding glass door or
 >some kind of residue left from the being going through the
 >glass.  Of course, this doesn't mean much to people who demand
 >to see a live alien in a cage on exhibit at the local zoo or on
 >TV but it is all we have at this point.

 >Two years later, the photographs were converted to slides for a
 >local presentation.  The night before the presentation (yeah, I
 >always wait 'til the last minute), I was putting the slides in
 >the slide tray becoming dyslexic trying to get them
 >right-side-up when up popped a slide with this bug-eyed critter
 >staring right at me.  I was so stunned that I just sat there
 >silently staring at this image no one even knew was in the
 >photograph. My kids were watching me work and it was my daughter
 >who pointed to the image and said, "Oh, look. An alien."  That's
 >when I knew it was not just my imagination.

Why would your kid say "Oh, look. An alien"? I hope you have not
been trying to influence this poor kids mind in any way.
My kid would have said "Oh, look. A monster or a creature!"

 >Some people see these images, some don't.

I've seen that before, it's called 'faces in the fire', goes
back a long way.

 >I have tried to share
 >the case, the photographs and what I learned from this
 >investigation (not yet released - there is much more) with many
 >of the more well-known "researchers" and "UFO experts".  I have
 >mailed copies of the article and photographs to numerous authors
 >and so-called "researchers" only to be told it is nothing.

Give us a list of who you mailed this to, some of us might like
to follow this up.

 >I won't bother you with the...details.  I no longer talk about
 >this case or try to share any of my work except with those who
 >express a sincere interest to learn more.  Those who want only
 >to sit in their comfy little arm-chairs and debunk can do so to
 >their hearts' content.  It is people like me that will be out
 >there learning and finding truths debunkers can only begin to
 >imagine.  <grin>

This may come as a shock to you Amy but I am not a debunker.

I simply ask the questions that a lot of people should be
asking.

 >You asked for photographs, I give you photographs but you will
 >only ask for more.  And you should ask for more!  Keep searching
 >for the evidence _you_ need to convince _yourself_.  No one can
 >convince you of anything but yourself.  It is not my job to
 >provide you with the evidence you seek, you will have to go find
 >it.  Here is what you asked for, take it or leave it. (I have a
 >pretty good idea what you will do. ;>)

I will always check out any evidence I am presented with.

 >You demand a lot of evidence but you don't seem to know much
 >about the phenomenon.  If you have any suggestions, Dave, as in
 >useful _practical_ suggestions, please share these with us or
 >with the ARM project through the Vanguard list.  And remember,
 >you must leave out anything that requires batteries or
 >electricity or canines as even animals are sometimes paralyzed
 >or "switched off" during abductions.

Well you seem to have covered everything.

You all seem to be sure you have been abducted by space aliens.
God forbid anyone has the audacity to speak out against such a
thing.

Every effort to gain proof seems to be blocked at every turn.
How about a remote power source?

Or will the 'aliens' just cut the lines.

Look at it this way, there's a lot worse going on in the world,
victims of hurricanes, train crashes, floods, wars, famine.

I even had a personal tragedy that far outweighs the abduction
phenomenon, if only I could exchange mine for yours... but thats
in the real world and believe me I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Dave.





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