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Re: From Maxwell Burns

From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:11:58 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:11:34 -0400
Subject: Re: From Maxwell Burns

 >From: Dave Baker <davbak@globalnet.co.uk>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: From Maxwell Burns
 >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:10:09 +0100

 >>From: Jonathan Dyton <jon@wibble.powernet.co.uk>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>Subject: Re: From Maxwell Burns
 >>Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:31:41 +0100

 >>Oh, he's been discredited over here on a continual basis for
 >>some time, the damage he's done by making unprovable claims
 >>has annoyed a lot of people - that case wasn't an alien crash
 >>retreval till Max got involved.

 >Hi Y'all,

 >Max's legacy - as that of a now convicted drugs dealer- is that
 >he has soured any relationship ufologists may form with the
 >police of the Sheffield/Yorkshire area.

 >When I first formed the Yorkshire UFO Society one of my first
 >tasks  was to try and forge contacts with the local police... my
 >idea was to leave my telephone number with the operations room
 >of Sheffield's main police station, so that they could pass it
 >on to anyone who called reporting a UFO.

 >The Inspector I spoke to was very polite and helpful, but I
 >remember him mentioning that they already had a UFO
 >investigator's name on their books. Did I know a Max Burns?

 >At the time I did not, but this was around the time that Max
 >must have been under investigation. He had also apparently
 >become a pain in the proverbials bothering the police themselves
 >with his antics and accusations. I've got a pretty good idea
 >what the police thought of ufologists in general after that.

 >And do you know something... I have never had a single call from
 >anyone who was forwarded to me by the police.

 >I wonder why?

 >Dave Baker, Yorkshire UFO Society.


Sadly I can second that. Earlier this summer we had another Peak
District 'crash' in which a strange plane and an explosion were
reported. This time I was a witness to both and they were, er, a
plane and an explosion (undoubtedly from a local quarry or
possibly an isolated thunder clap). I don't think the two events
were even connected in any sense other than that they occurred
within a few minutes of each other.

Although (as yet) no ufologist has seized on this as another
cause celebre the media did and talk of the phantom plane of the
Peaks surfaced again. Utter rot. This was a very real plane not
a W.W. II spectre.

I spoke with the police in Derbyshire (neighbouring county to
South Yorkshire) during the above - essentially as I was a
witness in their investigation. The senior officer I talked with
knew all about the l997 incident, the crashing Tornado farce and
had formed his views of ufologists through that. Had I
communicated with Buxton police as a UFO investigator I know I
would have been written off as another nutter and given short
shrift. Dealing with them as a witness convinced nothing
untoward had happened and seeking a rational answer left me on a
very different level.

We should not really need subterfuge to deal with the
authorities. Sadly ufologists are regarded as such vacant minded
loonies because of the vociferous pronouncements of a few folk
the police see via the media that we virtually have to go
undercover to do our job. Another sad legacy of making claims
about any case you cannot support with that magical missing
ingredient - evidence.

Best wishes,

Jenny Randles

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