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Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!

From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:29:47 +0100
Fwd Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:25:19 -0400
Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!

 >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!
 >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:25:46 +0100

Hi Jenny


I have been determined not to get embroiled over this "new" approach
to British Ufology but some things beg for me to say something.

 >Well, I obviously cannot speak for anyone else in UFOIN. Its a
 >one person, one vote, everybody has an equal say affair.

I hope it remains so for all the very best reasons.

 >Some of
 >them are on this list so egg them to answer that question
 >directly rather than just hear my view.

Some are more _outspoken_ compared to you as well Jenny.

 >All I can say is what I will personally stand up for and
 >support. Anyone, regardless of their theories about UFO origin,
 >etc, will be welcomed by me into UFOIN on the basis that they
 >can do first class, objective field investigations seeking
 >answers, finding them where possible and if not merely
 >documenting the evidence so that we can theorise from that data.

I do not see one person's name on your published list who is not
a skeptic or disbeliever in aliens Jenny so how do you plan to
prove this statement?

 >I don't see UFOIN as promoting any theories or any standpoint on
 >UFOs. We are here to do R & I and to document good evidence in
 >as scientific a manner as possible. That's a remit I think is
 >sufficient in by itself in so far as UFOIN is concerned.
 >Speculation beyond that is not unimportant, but I don't see it as
 >UFOIN's job.


 >My views on UFOs are different in many ways from Andy Roberts or
 >Dave Clarke,

Jenny I have seen your opinion _change_ a few times in your
career in Ufology. Not that this is a bad thing or shows
unwillingness to learn, but it does indicate that your
_position_ is not _hardened_ into a core belief.

I would also like to mention, and please correct me if I
misquote you Andy. When I was at Tim Matthews conference in the
early part of this year Andy Roberts said to me, "I believe
_ALL_ UFO's can be explained with sufficient research" Now if
that isn't someone who has already made up his mind what is?

 >for instance. Although we share quite a few ideas I
 >suspect they are far more sceptical than I - and whilst I do
 >have a suspicion that another intelligence may be involved in
 >some close encounters, I think they'd both offer a firm no to
 >that. What we all do share is - I hope - an objective approach
 >to UFOs and no vested interest in any theory. I assume that,
 >just as I am willing to be persuaded that any case can be solved
 >and that no UFOs as a consequence have exotic solutions, I trust
 >they would be persuaded by good evidence to the contrary. That's
 >what being objective means - you follow where the evidence trail
 >leads , whether it supports or denies your own ideas.

What about if the answer does not become available? This _game_
that is ufology has yielded no answers in fifty years. With a
crew of hardened skeptics do you expect to solve the riddle?

 >I am up for that and am happy with any UFOIN member who feels
 >the same way even if our personal views on the subject right now
 >are poles apart.

As I stated when I wrote "101 Possible explanations for UFOs"
for all the explanations supplied and others, there are _still_
some cases that there are no answers for. Which would leave us
with two options, ET or the paranormal. It would seem that some
people just cannot accept these options. So with a line up of
skeptics, do you think that a Pro-ETH person is likely to
volunteer his/her time to assist in debunking?

Jenny I honestly do wish you the very best with your new
organisation but I feel that with the line up of people already
involved, the outcome of many investigations will be
directed/steered/cajoled into one debunked set of answers.

The only thing that could change this for me was if you was able
to get an equal number of Pro-ETH people and an equal number of
middle of the road people to join this new organisation, and as
I said with your current line up, do you think that will happen?

    In an infinite universe, infinitely anything is possible.
                         Sean Jones

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