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Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!

From: Andy Roberts <Brigantia@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:48:38 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:54:49 -0400
Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!


 >Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:29:47 +0100
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
 >Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!


 >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!
 >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:25:46 +0100

Sean Jones wrote:

<snip>

 >I would also like to mention, and please correct me if I
 >misquote you Andy. When I was at Tim Matthews conference in the
 >early part of this year Andy Roberts said to me, "I believe
 >_ALL_ UFO's can be explained with sufficient research" Now if
 >that isn't someone who has already made up his mind what is?

I think you're exactly right there Sean. But what am I supposed
to say? "I believe some UFOs can never be explained?"

Presumably we _all_ think that all UFOs are explicable but may
differ as to our beliefs about the as yet unresolved ones.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, because otherwise it means you
are quite happy to have some UFOs remain unexplained. So yes, my
mind is made up, I believe that _all_ UFOs can be explained with
sufficient research.

Who thinks different and why please.

 >What about if the answer does not become available? This _game_
 >that is ufology has yielded no answers in fifty years.

Where y'been Sean? We have learned one hell of a lot in 50
years. The problem is so few ufologists stay in the field for
more than a few years that we are endlessly re-inventing the
wheel as it were.

 >With a
 >crew of hardened skeptics do you expect to solve the riddle?

Why not?

 >As I stated when I wrote "101 Possible explanations for UFOs"
 >for all the explanations supplied and others, there are _still_
 >some cases that there are no answers for.

There are.

 >Which would leave us
 >with two options, ET or the paranormal.

Not so - it merely leaves us with some unexplained cases and
people's _belief_ that the explanation for some of these may be
ET or paranormal. Big difference there Sean.

 > It would seem that some
 >people just cannot accept these options.

I'd happily accept them as options if they weren't merely beliefs.

 > So with a line up of
 >skeptics, do you think that a Pro-ETH person is likely to
 >volunteer his/her time to assist in debunking?

That's their problem. No one is press being ganged into UFOIN.
If someone who beliefs in the ETH or any of the other
belief systems kicking about in ufology that's up to them.

 >Jenny I honestly do wish you the very best with your new
 >organisation but I feel that with the line up of people already
 >involved, the outcome of many investigations will be
 >directed/steered/cajoled into one debunked set of answers.

Debunking and scepticism are poles apart Sean. None of the
people involved in UFOIN are debunkers. All are ufologists of
many years standing who have all spent thousands of hours in the
field and thousands of pounds in research. Their conclusions are
based on investigations - not an Armchair Ufologist among them
I'm afraid.

 >The only thing that could change this for me was if you was able
 >to get an equal number of Pro-ETH people and an equal number of
 >middle of the road people to join this new organisation, and as
 >I said with your current line up, do you think that will happen?

That's your opinion Sean - but it won't happen. The UFOIN
founders came together purely because of a belief that organised
ufology in this country, as exemplified by BUFORA, is rotten to
the core, riven with politics and under-hand dealings. So we do
something completely different. Hopefully we will be judged on
the quality of research and investigation we produce. If this
end product doesn't agree with your belief system that can't be
helped but I can assure you despite what you think (and you
ought to read some of the stuff Dave C and I have written, most
notably Phantoms of the Sky) you would find we are extremely
open-minded, but not gullible.





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