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Re: Nick Pope's Weird World

From: Martin Phillips <martin.phillips@dtn.ntl.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:01:43 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:49:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Weird World

 >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:32:12 -0500
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
 >Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Weird World

 >>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Nick Pope's Weird World
 >>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:16:58 -0400

 >>>From: Georgina Bruni <georgina@easynet.co.uk>
 >>>Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:10:24 +0100
 >>>To: updates@globalserve.net
 >>>Subject: Nick Pope's Weird World


 >>>this is the first time in publishing history that a science
 >>>fiction novel has needed to be officially cleared by the

 >>I won't argue with that, but a science fiction writer did draw
 >>U.S. government attention during World War II.

 >>His name was Cleve Cartmill, and he wrote a story about a
 >>nuclear bomb in Astounding Science Fiction, the American science
 >>fiction magazine that (despite its name) was the most strongly
 >>oriented toward real science. Nuclear bombs, of course, didn't
 >>exist back then, though, unknown to Cartmill and his editor, the
 >>U.S. government was trying to develop one.

The story was called Deadline, wasn't it?


 >The editor of Astounding was of course the inestimable John W.
 >Campbell, Jr., who, I believe, first introduced L. Ron Hubbard's
 >Dianetics to the world, now known as Scientology. Under the pen
 >name of Don(ald?) R. Stuart, if my muddled memory serves,
 >Campbell authored the classic "Who Goes There?" You may know it
 >better by its movie name, "The Thing," which starred James
 >Arness as the creature from the crashed flying saucer. That's
 >right, the same James Arness of "Gunsmoke" fame. John
 >Carpenter's recent remake of "The Thing," starring someone who's
 >not a Baldwin brother (Kurt Russell), was an excruciating joke.

 >So Campbell's lengthy influential career is associated not only
 >with the atomic bomb, but with invading aliens, crashed saucers
 >and Dianetics. An impressive portfolio indeed! (Did I forget the
 >Dean anti-gravity drive?)

I think I remember reading an account of how the story came
about, and John Campbell was a big influence on the story, as
he was with a lot of Astounding stories. John Campbell also was
interested in the works of Richard Shaver, a man who believed
that the earth was hollow and inhabited by the true rulers of
the Earth. I think JC also promoted the idea that 'we are

All in all, JC was involved in publicising many elements that
are contained in conspiracy theories of all types. He was also,
like many Americans of the time, anticommunist and xenophobe, so
that might underpin his views that the world was not run by good
(ieAmerican) people.


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