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Re: Alien Ineptitude

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 04:36:38 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 02:52:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Alien Ineptitude

Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 01:36:46 -0400
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From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Alien Ineptitude

 >From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@mindspring.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: Alien Ineptitude
 >Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:01:54 GMT

 >>Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 03:41:26 -0400
 >>To: updates@globalserve.net
 >>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Alien Ineptitude

 >>I ... choose to
 >>spend my time trying to get a serious investigation into the
 >>reports of the abductees going ...

 >>Some people are in very real distress
 >>over this Joe. For them, 'reporting' is like going to an
 >>emergency room and instead of receiving treatment the doctors
 >>stand around debating and speculating while you slowly bleed to

Joe responds:

A better analogy (IMHO, at least) is this one: Doctors and
medical researchers are standing around the emergency room
debating about the causes of and cures for bleeding. You arrive
bleeding. The doctors and researchers race each other to get to
you first. If a doctor wins the race, you get some curative
treatment. If a researcher wins you get sucked into a research
study into causes of bleeding.

My point was that the 'experiencers' get lost in the shuffle. I
agree Joe. It's a tough call to know 'who' to call in and for
which case and under which conditions. There are times when a
serious research person is called for, and others where a
psychologist is clearly indicated. My sense of it is that a
combination of both would be best under the circumstances. That
is, if we lived in a 'perfect world.'  :)

You're right, John. Some people are in extreme distress. They
_need_ something curative. Such as emotional support and
counseling. Too often, what they _get_ is a researcher who wants
to get the data before a therapist 'contaminates' it.

It's a P.I.T.A. job and I don't know who would actually 'do it'
but -each case/report- needs to be evaluated individually. I'd
be happy to see -any kind- of concerted effort made to examine
these cases. A big part of the problem is that we can't get any
two people to agree with each other even as to what the
'protocols' of such an investigation should be! In the meantime
I continue to receive letters from perfectly ordinary family/
working folks from all over the planet who have had their
'world' turned upside down by the possibility that they, or
their families, are somehow involved in this mess.

Tough call. "Treat" or "investigate?" One case at a time is the
only way. BUT- 'treat or investigate' we must because it is our
neighbors and coworkers and sometimes even family members that
are reporting! It is in -everyone's- best interest that we do

That poses problems for those of us who are research oriented.
We need to realize that therapists and researchers have
different aims. And, consequently, successful therapy doesn't
always produce much evidence for the researcher, and may even
produce red herrings.

Why it needs to be taken on a case by case basis. I went to a
psychologist for an evaluation before I went to Budd Hopkins. I
didn't know (or trust) Budd and I -needed to know- that I hadn't
simply 'snapped a bridge cable.' Maybe 'multi-disciplinary' is
the right way to go. Strict research people working in tandem
with mental health care pro's. If it should ever prove out that
there is a real and physical phenomenon happening, it'll be good
to know that those who were traumatized by those experiences
received help, support, and counselling when they needed it.

Not everyone who doesn't share your views has been the victim of
a government/alien conspiracy. [;-)

I don't know if there is or isn't any "alien/government" conspiracy.
What I said was, that governments (may be) involved in keeping
the lid on an alien presence. I didn't mean to give the impression
that I 'believed' that it was true. or that anyone who "doesn't
share my views" has been a "victim" of it. You place meaning
in my words that was not there or intended.

FWIW, I do believe that 'they' exist and that something real is
happening to those who call themselves abductees. I just don't
know what.

Wish you had been standing at my side a few times along the way.
"Tweety" would be whistling a different tune!  :)

Actually, yours is an intellectually honest response Joe. I
respect it.

Actually, I'd also like to point out that 2 or 3
changes-of-subject upstream from this post I posed the following

 >Is there any evidence that would selectively discriminate
 >between these theories:

 >1. That the same off-world beings that pilot the craft are
 >also perpetrating the abductions.

 >2. That abductions are Out-of-Body Experiences, Lucid Dreams
 >or cases of Awareness during Sleep Paralysis that are
 >unrecognized or incompletely recalled.


The results were meagre.

Bloody shame man. I'd like to think that 'good minds' are coming
together to study the question. But then 'apathy' is what has
allowed the whole world to sink into its current condition.

Just looking for evidence.

We're both looking for the same thing Joe. In the final analysis
we're all on the 'same side.' Would be nice to know the truth.

Whether for or against.


John Velez

  "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."

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