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Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!

From: David Clarke <crazydiamonds@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 16:39:36 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:41:03 -0400
Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!

 >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
 >Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!
 >Date: Mon, 25 Oct 99 09:42:17 PDT
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

 >>Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:10:22 -0400
 >>From: David Clarke <crazydiamonds@compuserve.com>
 >>Subject: Re: British Ufology Has Been Reborn!
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

 >>The ET explanation for UFOs is simply an artefact of the era in
 >>which we live. Go back 500 years Sean and if we had email I
 >>would venture to suggest you would be blaming UFOs on the
 >>fairies and little folk.

 >>What I'm trying to say is that opinions about the ultimate
 >>origin of unknown UFOs are legion and ETs are just one tiny,
 >>remote possibility, and are themselves a product of our Space
 >>Age culture.

Jerry wrote:

 >These are not the sorts of statements designed to encourage
 >confidence in your judgment, my friend. They tell us more about
 >you (and maybe about UFOIN as well), I'm afraid, than about the
 >UFO phenomenon or the ETH.

I beg to differ.

My statements are based upon 20 years of field work, research
and hundreds of case investigations which turned me from an
out-and-out believer in the ETH to a skeptic, or agnostic at
best. {Note agnostic - I do not dismiss the possibility that
*some* UFOs could be ET craft, only that in my opinion it is a
remote possibility, that's all}.

Add to that a sound knowledge of folklore and cultural belief
which led to a me being awarded a PhD - described by a panel of
academics as "a valuable contribution to knowledge" - and I feel
I am well qualified to comment, and certainly as qualified as
Jerome Clark.

So, friend, you might not trust my judgement, but there are
plenty of other 'smart' people who do share my views and whose
conclusions are equally valid within their own disciplines.

Among these I can count equally well qualified and experienced
sociologists, folklorists, psychologists and historians, and
that's just in one small hick Yorkshire town, noted for its
open-minded academics.

So your disaproval doesn't make me feel too lonely.

As for "UFO phenomenon or the ETH", it's just a theory and
despite your 'special pleading' it has not more evidence to back
it up than any other. I think I will stick with the idea that
the fairy folk are the flying saucer pilots, after all two can
play at wearing cultural blinkers if that's the game we're

But please Jerry, if you have some evidence which proves the ETH
is not a cultural artefact of the late 20th century, then I'm
sure we'd all love to hear about it.

 >One hopes that this sort of empty posturing -- especially coming
 >from someone smart enough to know better -- disappears from
 >ufological discourse soon.

So my opinions are not welcome on this list?

Presumably the "empty posturing" of the ETH believers is OK
then... I don't see Jerry objecting as they all happily slap
each other on the back, cracking jokes about  pelicanists and
debunkers along the way. Sounds to me like a spot of intolerance
is creeping in. Opinions are fine, as long as they are ones
Jerry agrees with.

 >It is, as we have already seen
 >demonstrated repeatedly, much less than helpful, and among other
 >things, it betrays a fairly shocking ignorance of the literature
 >of astrobiology.


Let's get this one right  - the study of alien lifeforms?
Pleease. Yes I'm happy to plead ignorance there, along with the
rest of the human race.

But perhaps you've got one hidden in the freezer, and you know
better. And before you retort that I've just taken you too
seriously and you were only jesting after a few beers, well so
was I.

Dave Clarke.

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