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UpDate: Re: Budd Hopkins on John Carpenter - Velez

From: John Velez<jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:19:08 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:30:33 -0400
Subject: UpDate: Re: Budd Hopkins on John Carpenter - Velez


Hello All,

I mentioned in my last post that I had a call in to Budd
inquiring about John Carpenters remark that Budd has supplied
him with "cases." Following is Budd's response. As you will see,
Budd misinterpreted my original question. He thinks I inquired
if he ever "referred" anyone to John C. which is not what I was
asking. My response to Budd follows his e-mail to me.

Note to all:

For personal reasons I severed all ties and connections with
Budd and IF last year. I won't be posing anymore questions to
him myself. I am not terribly choked up with playing
"middle-man" and the resulting reinforcing of any associations
between us. If anyone has any further inquiries that they wish
to make of Budd you can write to him at:

Budd Hopkins, IF
P.O.Box 30233
N.Y., N.Y.  10011

or e-mail him at:

IFcentral@aol.com

I'm out of the "middle-man" business as of now. You all now
know how to reach him yourselves. Any questions for Budd?
Ask _him!_  ;)

Respectfully,

John Velez

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Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:59:41 EDT
Subject: Reply to your phone call on John Carpenter
To: jvif@spacelab.net

Dear John,

     First, I was appreciative of the civility of your reply to
my E-mail, and your understanding that I don't feel I have a lot
of time to spend debating on the NET.

      As to your question, did I ever refer anyone to John
Carpenter over the nearly twenty years I've known him, of course
I have.  I've referred possible abductees to about thirty-five
different researchers, therapists, hypnotists, etc, if I thought
the  person needed help  and I had a referral in their area.
I've been doing this kind of referring for about twenty years,
and I think I even once lent you my referral.  Surely John was
on it.

     Over the years I have talked to a few abductees who have
complained about the person to whom  I referred them: John Mack,
Dave Jacobs,  John Carpenter, Yvonne Smith, and  others.
Probably some of the people who were referred to me by one of my
colleagues has complained to them about me, too. None of us is
perfect, none has omniscience, and as I said before, most of us
do this work for free.  Some abductees, unfortunately,  expect
their free service to be flawless.  Few, very few are such
habitual complainers, but their are some.

     I hope this answers your question.  Let's not beat this
subject to death. I'm sure John Carpenter is regretful,
chagrined and apologetic.  All of us, to some extent, live in
glass houses.  Let's drop the stones before we do more damage.

    You can post this if you wish.  Carol joins me in saying
hello, and she wanted me especially to send her best to Margie.

Budd -----------------------

My response to Budd:

Hi Budd,

I'd like to respond to this both privately and on UFO UpDates.
Look for my private response under separate cover.

You wrote:

"Dear John,

     First, I was appreciative of the civility of your reply to
my E-mail, and your understanding that I don't feel I have a lot
of time to spend debating on the NET."


I know, that's why I warned them up front not to expect an
ongoing debate.


"    As to your question, did I ever refer anyone to John
Carpenter over the nearly twenty years I've known him, of course
I have.  I've referred possible abductees to about thirty-five
different researchers, therapists, hypnotists, etc, if I thought
the  person needed help  and I had a referral in their area.
I've been doing this kind of referring for about twentyy years,
and I think I even once lent you my referral.  Surely John was
on it."

My question was not whether you ever referred "abductees" to
John. My question related to a statement that John made on the
CompuServe UFO Forum about you having supplied him with abductee
-cases.- The quote from the posting is as follows:

Allegedly with his work with the MUFON abduction transcription
project he presumably would have had full access to MUFON
abductee files (besides his own), not to mention copies of files
that other researchers may have sent him. For example in the
Alien Zoo interview he is alleged to have made the claim that
Budd Hopkins has sent "cases".

The word "cases" could be interpreted to mean 'abductee
referrals' or 'abductee files.' I was asking you if it was
"files." Before I touched the phone I knew what your answer
would be. I know you. But, I needed a direct statement from you
so that I could nip this in the "budd" so to speak. I'm sorry
that you find yourself caught up in this but it is an important
issue for every abductee and I suppose that some of the honest
and ethical folks will just have to weather out the sh*tstorm as
best they can.


"    I hope this answers your question.  Let's not beat this
subject to death. I'm sure John Carpenter is regretful,
chagrined and apologetic.  All of us, to some extent, live in
glass houses.  Let's drop the stones before we do more damage."


Budd you seem to be "missing the point." This kind of thing,
(abductee files being sold for cash with identifying information
included and no notification of the witnesses) simply cannot be
allowed to happen again. One of the few ways to -insure- that it
doesn't is to shine a lot of light on it. Make folks aware of
the practice so that they can protect their own interests,
privacy, and anonymity. Hopefully if folks begin to ask for and
receive written assurances from investigators/researchers/
authors, this kind of thing will not be repeated.

I'm sorry for this or any inconvenience to you personally. But,
this is not a 'witch hunt' or any kind of a personal anything
against John Carpenter. This is about those 140 abductees that
have been screwed and used by John and to insure that there is
never a repeat performance. I hope that you can appreciate the
importance of pursuing this as vigorously as is necessary.

This nasty business has now been confirmed by Bigelow himself,
Walt Andrus, Dr. Alexander of NIDS, and about seven of the
abductees whose files were sold. This no Mickey Mouse, "Ok now
we all know about it so let's forget it because we're all human"
kind of thing. This isn't about "cheating on the wife" or
"pilfering office supplies from work," John has violated the
trust, privacy, and right to anonymity of 140 abductees.

No good. That kind of bullsh*t has to stop, and stop now.

No ifs, ands, or buts. I'm ready to 'go down' to insure that it
doesn't happen again. I am an abductee. There but for the grace
of God go I. All I've been asking for is that the 120 who still
don't know that their files have been sold, should be notified.

A reasonable request under the circumstances with nothing
personal to or about John Carpenter. I already told you, I sit
in judgement of no man. I leave John and everyone else to the
Lords of Karma. Carpenter is none of my affair. What alleged
'counsellors' and 'researchers' do to abductees, is.


"   You can post this if you wish.  Carol joins me in saying
hello, and she wanted me especially to send her best to Margie."

I will pass along your greeting and well wishes to Margie. Thank
you.

Sincerely,

John Velez

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