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Re: UFO Skeptics - Ledger

From: Donald Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 11:40:12 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:28:51 +0000
Subject: Re: UFO Skeptics - Ledger

 >Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:52:34 -0600
 >From: Roger Evans <raka@swbell.net>
 >Subject: Re: UFO Skeptics
 >To: updates@sympatico.ca

 >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
 >>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 23:57:19 EST
 >>To: updates@sympatico.ca
 >>Subject: Re: UFO Skeptics - Gates

 >>>From: James Easton <voyager@ufoworld.co.uk>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@sympatico.ca>
 >>>Subject: Re: UFO Skeptics - Easton
 >>>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 01:04:10 -0000

 >Previously, Robert wrote:

 >>as far as people can see the so called skeptics list (should
 >>probably be debunk at all costs) will evolve into discussing
 >>pelicans, light houses, venus, stars, and why all witnesses who
 >>claim to see anything are mistaken, or have mis identified
 >>some natural occuring something.

 >>I always thought the current crop of debunkers have become
 >>utterly meaningless and absurd while they operate under the
 >>theory of "It can't be so therefor it isn't."

 >>In essence, as Jim has outlined it, the skeptic list will be
 >>somewhere where some fool can claim that UFO witness a saw a
 >>seagull in flight, and all the lap dogs will instantly say "Oh,
 >>that was a wonderful post, why hasn't anyone ever said that

 >>person should also understand that if you ask a debunker "Are
 >>you a debunker." He or she would likely say, "Absolutly not, why
 >>I don't understand where you would get that idea from because
 >>all I am is a skeptic."

 >>Don't even have to subscribe. You just have to understand the
 >>words Pelicans, Lighthouse, Venus, misidentification, hoax,
 >>stars and you have understood the entire list and most of the
 >>postings without reading one message.  :)

 >While I don't agree with Easton's views, I do feel that having a
 >List that casts a critical eye on UFO claims can be as much a
 >benefit as a List that seems to believe all UFO claims without
 >regard to common sense. While not everything seen in night sky
 >is an airplane, neither is it automatically an ET craft.

 >Mind you, I don't buy into Easton's Pelican theory in the
 >slightest and I have no desire to participate in his list.
 >However, I am once again amazed at your ability to read people's
 >minds and predict the future. You seem to know everything about
 >what will happen as it relates to the discussion of UFOs on this
 >list as well as others. Too bad your "gift" can't tell you beans
 >about the past. If so, then it would help clear up all the UFO
 >cases that are at the heart of all these discussions.

Hi Roger and Robert,

I have found that there is more than enough critical assessment
of varous UFO incidents by the researcher themselves. They are
certainly more critical of their own field than the so-called
skeptics are of theirs. Now we come to Easton's harbrained
theories which he proposes as the solutions to certain
sightings, proclaims them far and wide even when he has been
proven wrong and yet will not admit when he is wrong nor even
entertain debate. And when he does debate he buries the subject
in useless rhetoric while skirting the real questions
entirely-never actually giving an answer but wasting everyones
bandwidth. Now Easton has his own little world in which to live
with his loyal followers where he can be as wrong as he wants to
be without adverse debate.

Critical debate is healthy. There has been much of that on this
list-some almost to the point of liable but Easton has his
own-or perhaps someone else's agenda. He does not come from the
middle of the critical road, his field is debunkery for the sake
of debunkery. He is not interested in facts-they confuse and
weaken the structure of his arguments to the point where he
refuses to engage in further debate. He spouts just enough
nonesense to the largely uninitiated and an ignorant press to to
feed their need for answers to all things unanaswerable. The
lazy reporters pick up on it and run with it without adhering to
the one tenant the press is supposed to hold dear-checking your
source and getting the other side of the story. Easton relies on

This piece is getting Eastonian in length though I hope not

My apologies.

Don Ledger

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