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Re: UFO Skeptics - Velez

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 15:37:14 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 16:21:08 +0000
Subject: Re: UFO Skeptics - Velez

 >From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@sympatico.ca>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@sympatico.ca>
 >Subject: Re: UFO Skeptics
 >Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 13:18:40 -0800

 >>Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 14:52:34 -0600
 >>From: Roger Evans <raka@swbell.net
 >>Subject: Re: UFO Skeptics
 >>To: updates@sympatico.ca


 >Hello Roger, Robert and List,

 >We already have a List that casts a critical eye on UFO claims.

 >This one.

 >Thanks to EBK, it is open to all and displays the whole spectrum
 >of opinions that _seldom go unchallenged_.

 >Now, if somebody wants a List where he can go away with
 >poppycock claims such as skeptics are used to, fine. Be my
 >guest. I don't think this will drive anybody towards Debunkers

Hiya Serge,

In all fairness, I'd like to add that there are many 'believer'
lists with the same shortcomings. (>a List where he can get away
with poppycock claims such as skeptics are used to,)

Which is why I created AIC to begin with.

I've taken a ton of heat and criticism for adopting a "no BS
tolerated" policy on the AIC List. (Which is for experiencers
only.) Many come there expecting "support" for their "beliefs"
or to create a soapbox where they can expound their theories on
Life, Aliens, the Universe, and everything. When I boot someone
out of AIC I am 'booting' an abductee. Stuff like that will not
win me any popularity contests, but it will keep the List well
grounded and substantial. That's the opposite of creating a List
composed of many parrots that all know how to chirp the same

People are people. Many are _needy._ Some, not realizing the
true nature of the -work- being done, are only interested in a
bit of ego gratification and creating a little 'Persona' for
themselves. For many folks it has nothing to do with the 'work'
of ufology. (The debating/checking out/ hashing out of stories
and individuals, facts, and fiction.) Or even trying to find

For many, e-mail Lists are for gratifying petty ego concerns and

"Helping" or "uniting" others is only the cover story.  ;) Some
are just isolated and otherwise lonely individuals in need of
the comfort and security/haven of the "Gang" mentality. They
'need' acceptance. They view Lists like UpDates as an oportunity
to 'socialize' not realizing that at the bottom of it all, the
business of ferreting through raw information for facts and/or
BS is the real 'work' that is taking place.

Stripping away BS and the BS'ers is a messy business at times.
What some consider "trashing" is really a just self-policing
mechanism at work. When everyone on a List is in complete
agreement about everything, there is no self policing. What some
consider the "trashing" of people on this list is nothing more
than somebody, "taking out the trash!"

Somebody mentioned to me the other day that some of the folks
who post here would wilt if they knew who some of the people are
that follow/read the postings here. They'd be _mbarrassed_ as
hell about some of the stuff they contribute to the List for
public consumption. Not having an interest in ufology other than
self promotion, how could they realize how utterly transparent
they look to the rest. Actually those are the ones I enjoy
drawing out. The more they talk, the more they reveal of
themselves. It's a fun and healthy avocation for me to indulge
in from time to time - as needed. Popping off the Popinjays
occasionally is good sport eh what! And it keeps the List
honest, on its toes, and tightly focused.

Let the Pelicans and the rest flock on their own little island.
At least that way the mess that their droppings create are
restricted to a small area. With the added bonus that we won't
have their guano sprayed all over us!  ;)

Here's to keeping it Real and doing the 'work'.


John Velez
Zephod Beedlebrox

                     A.I.C. - Abduction Information Center -
  "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."

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