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Re: Psychological Trauma - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:56:31 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 08:23:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma - Velez

 >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:42:49 EST
 >Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma
 >To: ufoupdates@home.com

 >>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 02:38:23 -0500
 >>To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma

 >>>Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:55:32 -0500
 >>>From: Ron Cecchini <Ron.Cecchini@GD-CS.COM>
 >>>Subject: Psychological Trauma [was: UFO/ET Book For Children]
 >>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@home.com>

 >>>>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:07:39 -0400
 >>>>To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >>>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>>>Subject: Re: UFO/ET Book For Children

Hi All,

You wroye:

 >Having said all that, I find it fascinating that those regressed
 >by each, each group, Budd's and Dave's, seem to share the same
 >reasoning regarding the intentions of the alien abductors. Dr.
 >Dave's clients share the opinion, generally, that the aliens are
 >evil in their intent. Budd's groups shares another less benign
 >view over the alien abductors.

 >Interesting if not telling. And I said, "If Not Telling!" For
 >this is another datum and nothing more. Whether to draw
 >conclusions from the datum is the pervue of the skeptibunker,
 >not the researcher.

The kinds of negative things that your 'off-the-top' comments
imply is an insult to the intelligence and individuality of
anyone of the bright, and decent individuals that attend those

Do you know Harold Egeln? Harold was among the first group of
people that Budd ever investigated and worked with. Harold,
along with many others, is of a decidedly 'New Age' - benevolent
space brothers bent. Several of the people who regularly attend
Budd's groups are also members of Harold's S.P.A.C.E. group here
in New York. Although Harold and Budd each hold vastly divergent
views/ideas about the nature of the 'abductors' they get along
famously and Harold and the members of S.P.A.C.E. have always
been a welcome addition to any meetings at Budd's place.

In fact, one of the things I always liked most about the people
who attended those groups was their diversity of views on the
subject. The differences of opinion was what served to fuel many
of the interesting and enjoyable discussions we conducted.

For those who know nothing about what is being discussed in
terms of the meetings that Budd hosted, and the folks who
attended them, I offer the following:

A majority of the people would only get to attend maybe one
meeting per year. Budd went out of his way to invite different
people each time. He wanted to give everyone a chance to attend
and he seemed to enjoy mixing and matching personalities that
might make the proceedings more interesting.

One of the regulars is a Manhattan psychologist who is a hard
core skeptic. He was usually around to question just about
anything that came up during the discussions.

Ole Jimbo fails to mention that.

The only reason I attended almost all of them (about four such
meetings a year) was because Budd invited me so that I could
fill everybody in on what we had been up to lately in terms of
developing IF, any media; TV, radio, etc. that we had
participated in, or any interesting new cases or developments
that may have come along.

Usually Budd would start things off by asking the group a
question and then giving each person an opportunity to answer or
comment on it. The discussions would open up from there and off
we'd go.

I'm here to tell you that in spite of Mortellaro's purely
imagined generalizations, there were as many differing points of
view as there were attendees at those meetings.

See Jimbo, I can say stuff like that because I actually got to
know those folks personally. And unlike yourself, over a
year-long period of time.

Mortellaro's unfounded comment suggests 'consensus' of some
kind. Nothing could ever be farther from the truth. He presumes
to make this outrageous and unfounded statement about "group
philosophy" as if we were all 'Hopkins cultists' or mindless
drones that shared the same beliefs. And, as if he actually
_knew_ what the hell he was talking about.

News-flash Mr. M!

There is no 'consensus', either real - or as in this case -
'imagined' among those who attend Budd's groups. Period.

BTW Docca, some 'puppies' are hard to house-break. Keep a lot of
toweling and plastic garbage bags in stock.

Happy pooper-scooping. ;)

John Velez

Budd Hopkins' Intruders Foundation

            A.I.C. - Abduction Information Center
   "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."

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