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Re: Psychological Trauma - Randle

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:57:30 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 16:19:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma - Randle

 >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:54:33 EST
 >Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma
 >To: ufoupdates@home.com

 >>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:56:31 -0500
 >>To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma

 >>>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >>>Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:42:49 EST
 >>>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma
 >>>To: ufoupdates@home.com


 >>Hi All,

 >>You wrote:

 >>>Having said all that, I find it fascinating that those regressed
 >>>by each, each group, Budd's and Dave's, seem to share the same
 >>>reasoning regarding the intentions of the alien abductors. Dr.
 >>>Dave's clients share the opinion, generally, that the aliens are
 >>>evil in their intent. Budd's groups shares another less benign
 >>>view over the alien abductors.

 >>>Interesting if not telling. And I said, "If Not Telling!" For
 >>>this is another datum and nothing more. Whether to draw
 >>>conclusions from the datum is the pervue of the skeptibunker,
 >>>not the researcher.

 >>The kinds of negative things that your 'off-the-top' comments
 >>imply is an insult to the intelligence and individuality of
 >>anyone of the bright, and decent individuals that attend those

 >Dear John, List, Errol,

 >Nope. Missed the point entirely. I wrote _not_ about Budd's
 >Group meetings. Nothing. I wrote about those _regressed_ by Budd
 >and by David. David's regressed abductees generally concur with
 >David's view of the evil nature of the alien. Of course, the
 >other view is possible. That David's regressed clients are those
 >who generally are of that view.

Jim, John, List, all -

I'll risk the wrath of all by stepping in here to point out that
Jim's observation has been made by others, including John Mack
himself. Although Mack now denies that he said it to us on video
tape (us being Russ Estes, Bill Cone and me) he is also quoted
in CDB Bryant's book, on page 270, Mack is quoted as saying,
"And there's another interesting dimension to this... which is
that I'm struck by the fact there seems to be a kind of matching
of the investigator with the experiencer. So what may be the
archetypal structure of an abduction to Dave Jacobs may not be
the uniform experience of, say, Joe Nyman or someone else. And
the experiencers seem to pick out the investigator who will fit
their experience..."

Which, if we think about it, is ridiculous because they all make
the claim that the experiencers come to them without having read
in the field of abductions, or seen the documentaries, or
watched any of the talk shows. They come in fresh and clean, and
here is this matching of investigator to experiencer.

Then, on page 271, Mack makes an insightful statement that he
doesn't seem to understand. He said to Bryant, "It seems to me
that Jacobs, Hopkins, and Nyman may pull out of their
experiencers what they want to see."

In other, more precise words, Mack is saying that those under
the influence of hypnotic regression seem to be led to a
specific point by those conducting the hypnotic session. That
for all the suggestions and claims that they work hard not to
lead the abductee, that they do it anyway, probably not
consciously and probably not on purpose, but they do it. And
Mack has seen it, spoken about it, and then failed to understand
the significance of what he said.

And, please, remember here that I have quoted what Mack himself
has said about this situation.

But I could go on and quote David Jacobs, who cautions that
those with a New Age philosophy (read Mack here) may be leading
their witnesses in that direction. He also claims that he
doesn't lead the witnesses, yet in 'The Threat' he tells of the
woman who believed her experiences were benign until he finished
his hypnotic regression of her. Now she sees the real danger.

The real point is the abduction researchers know what is
happening but they fail to understand the significance. And
that, I believe, is the point that Jim is making.


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