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Re: Psychological Trauma - Salvaille

From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:44:11 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 11:14:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma - Salvaille


 >From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
 >Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 15:57:30 EST
 >Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma
 >To: ufoupdates@home.com

 >>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:54:33 EST
 >>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma
 >>To: ufoupdates@home.com

 >>>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 03:56:31 -0500
 >>>To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma


Hello Kevin, Jim, John and all,

<snip>

 >>Nope. Missed the point entirely. I wrote _not_ about Budd's
 >>Group meetings. Nothing. I wrote about those _regressed_ by Budd
 >>and by David. David's regressed abductees generally concur with
 >>David's view of the evil nature of the alien. Of course, the
 >>other view is possible. That David's regressed clients are those
 >>who generally are of that view.

<snip>

 >Jim, John, List, all -

 >I'll risk the wrath of all by stepping in here to point out that
 >Jim's observation has been made by others, including John Mack
 >himself.

<snip>

What? Are you implying that there is some abuse on this List
preventing people from expressing themselves?

I hereby demand a new thread: Use and Abuse on UFO UpDates...

<snip>

 >In other, more precise words, Mack is saying that those under
 >the influence of hypnotic regression seem to be led to a
 >specific point by those conducting the hypnotic session. That
 >for all the suggestions and claims that they work hard not to
 >lead the abductee, that they do it anyway, probably not
 >consciously and probably not on purpose, but they do it. And
 >Mack has seen it, spoken about it, and then failed to understand
 >the significance of what he said.

 >And, please, remember here that I have quoted what Mack himself
 >has said about this situation.

 >But I could go on and quote David Jacobs, who cautions that
 >those with a New Age philosophy (read Mack here) may be leading
 >their witnesses in that direction. He also claims that he
 >doesn't lead the witnesses, yet in 'The Threat' he tells of the
 >woman who believed her experiences were benign until he finished
 >his hypnotic regression of her. Now she sees the real danger.

 >The real point is the abduction researchers know what is
 >happening but they fail to understand the significance. And
 >that, I believe, is the point that Jim is making.

<snip>

Most interesting observations.

at:

http://www.ajp.org/archives/53-02-1999.html
American Journal of Psychotherapy
Volume 53, Number 2, Spring 1999

Reflections Understanding Empathy and Related Phenomena
C. Shamasundar, M.R.C. Psych.

    "Over a period of time, the author has arrived at a few
    tentative postulates concerning empathy and related processes
    based on some of his experiences and observations. The
    central theme of these postulates is, firstly, that
    interpersonal interaction is an interaction of the personal-
    space fields. Secondly, empathy, therapeutic benefit, and the
    professional stress are all related to the same process of
    interpersonal interaction. This interaction takes place as an
    enmeshment of personal spaces of the interacting individuals,
    and involves transfer of a wide range of information in the
    affective, cognitive, and other areas. This is because the
    personal spaces have fieldlike qualities analogous to what
    Kurt Lewin described. Thus, such phenomena as empathy,
    therapeutic benefit, professional stress are all consequences
    of the same process. It is possible to substantiate these
    postulates by diverse evidences in the published literature.
    The natural consequences of such an interpersonal interaction
    are empathic understanding, transfer of mood states (like
    hope, distress or expectancy), affective states (like
    anxiety, sadness, anger or hostility), ideas, images and even
    attitudes and values, etc. This phenomenon of transfer can
    explain such processes as therapeutic benefit in individual
    and group settings, professional stress, shared delusions,
    and even experimenter bias. Whether one becomes aware of such
    transferred information or not depends upon the intent and
    sensitivity of the participants."

Your reflections are politically incorrect. Still, you (and Jim)
simply report the reality of the human nature. I am pondering on
wether you deserve a cookie for stating the evidence, a medal
for posting it, or a kick in the butt for doing so reluctantly.

The inevitable next line of reasoning is a given for any
candidate to crucifiction:

The effect of hypnosis must compound the transfer phenomena.
Coupled with the extreme strangeness of the abduction
experience, and the underlying desperate need to make it fit
into a personal reality, we should get a very explosive mixture
that will affect both the perceived abductee and the researcher.

The use of hypnosis in abduction cases only confirms the state
of abduction research. A couple of years ago, it would have been
fashionable to call it a Goulag. Today, let's settle for the
expression: a Desert.

Don't shoot the messenger.


Regards,





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