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Re: Psychological Trauma - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:12:50 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:42:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma - Velez


 >Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:12:37 -0600
 >To: UFO Updates <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >From: Bobbie Felder <jilain@ebicom.net>
 >Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma

 >>Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:01:42 -0500
 >>To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma

 >>>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >>>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:54:33 EST
 >>>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma
 >>>To: ufoupdates@home.com

 ><snip>

 >>My Lord man, can't you see why
 >>I'm always jumping on you with both feet?

 >I can't speak for Jim, but it seems pretty obvious to me why
 >you're always jumping on him. You insult the intelligence of the
 >rest of the List when you try to disguise your _personal_
 >problem_ with Mr. Mortellaro in the cloak of abductee
 >self-righteousness.

Well Hello again Ms. Felder,

This 'thread' between Mr. Mortellaro and myself is about his
"claim" that all of the abductees that Hopkins, Jacobs, & Mack
have hypnotized, collectively agree with the individual
researchers viewpoints on the phenomenon.

I contend that he doesn't know what he's talking about because
he has never known or interviewed enough of them to make such an
outrageous and unfounded statement. Not just Mortellaro,
_no_one_ has taken such a poll.

In point of fact, because I attended meetings with literally
hundreds of Budd's "people/cases" for so many years, and because
I know _many_ of them personally, that maybe he should consider
my opinions on the subject. I am telling him that I have not
seen _any_ evidence that would uphold his claim. He has agreed
with me that the 'few' people he did meet, "impressed" him, with
the diversity of their views and thoughts on the subject.

My question to you is:

What does your very (personal) "diagnosis" of me (See quote
below) have to do with the subject of this thread? "What" is
your "contribution" to the subject of this discussion Bobby? Is
it this 'personal' and 'bile tinged' comment that is based on
your own personal feelings toward me?

You write:

 >you try to disguise your _personal_ problem_ with Mr. Mortellaro
 >in the cloak of abductee self-righteousness.

BTW, just what the hell is "abductee self-righteousness" anyway?
Some 'new' psychological disorder that you discovered while
writing a thesis for your psychology degree? Oh, I forgot, you
don't have a degree in psychology. Practicing on me without a
license eh? <LOL> I ask you only because it's all just a tad
'convoluted' for me. Never mind. I didn't ask for your personal
opinion of me anyway, so I'm not really terribly curious about
how you 'arrived there.'

Solely for the edification of the List members:

My "personal" problem with Mortellaro does not exist. As there
is nothing "personal" in it. _Strictly_ business. If you'll take
note at the archives, I always "respond" to whatever it happens
to be that he is putting out publicly regarding UFO abduction or
abductees that has no _proven_ basis in fact. My posts to him
are _all_ a matter of public record. _Everything_ I have ever
said to him, is located for inspection at the UFO UpDates
archive. Go there. Read. You'll get an eyeful!

For Mz. Felder:

Bobbie, you are completely free to think any old twisted thing
about me that you can conjure up, or that makes you feel good.
There's nothing any of us can do about what anybody, (much less
'everybody') may choose to think of us personally. Just the way
it is. I have learned from experience that I am the kind of
person that people either love, or they curse the day I entered
the world. Not too many in-betweeners with me. :)

A 'true-ism' if I may:

"Control" over _anything_ in Life, much less control over the
thoughts of others, is all 'Maya' Bobbie. (An 'illusion') All we
really need be concerned about, and responsible for, is; the
quality of the energy behind our expressed thoughts.

It's ok. Your 'contribution' to the thread has been logged and
duly noted. By the by, do you have anything in the way of a
'useful' or 'informative' contribution to make to the current
discussion? If not, maybe you want to start another thread! You
can title it:

"John Velez's many colored cloak of abductee
self-righteousness!"

Mortellaro refers to me as; the "Egotistical and Paranoid King
of the abductees" to complete strangers behind my back. So I may
as well have a "cloak" too! Maybe he's right! My own dad always
wanted to "crown" me! <LOL>

As always, really great to hear from you Bobbie. A fine
contribution from you once again.  ;)


John Velez

            A.I.C. - Abduction Information Center
            www.spacelab.net/~jvif/default.htm
                 johnvelez.aic@verizon.net
   "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."





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