From: John Velez <email@example.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:12:50 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 10:42:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma - Velez >Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:12:37 -0600 >To: UFO Updates <firstname.lastname@example.org> >From: Bobbie Felder <email@example.com> >Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma >>Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:01:42 -0500 >>To: firstname.lastname@example.org >>From: John Velez <email@example.com> >>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma >>>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com> >>>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:54:33 EST >>>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma >>>To: firstname.lastname@example.org ><snip> >>My Lord man, can't you see why >>I'm always jumping on you with both feet? >I can't speak for Jim, but it seems pretty obvious to me why >you're always jumping on him. You insult the intelligence of the >rest of the List when you try to disguise your _personal_ >problem_ with Mr. Mortellaro in the cloak of abductee >self-righteousness. Well Hello again Ms. Felder, This 'thread' between Mr. Mortellaro and myself is about his "claim" that all of the abductees that Hopkins, Jacobs, & Mack have hypnotized, collectively agree with the individual researchers viewpoints on the phenomenon. I contend that he doesn't know what he's talking about because he has never known or interviewed enough of them to make such an outrageous and unfounded statement. Not just Mortellaro, _no_one_ has taken such a poll. In point of fact, because I attended meetings with literally hundreds of Budd's "people/cases" for so many years, and because I know _many_ of them personally, that maybe he should consider my opinions on the subject. I am telling him that I have not seen _any_ evidence that would uphold his claim. He has agreed with me that the 'few' people he did meet, "impressed" him, with the diversity of their views and thoughts on the subject. My question to you is: What does your very (personal) "diagnosis" of me (See quote below) have to do with the subject of this thread? "What" is your "contribution" to the subject of this discussion Bobby? Is it this 'personal' and 'bile tinged' comment that is based on your own personal feelings toward me? You write: >you try to disguise your _personal_ problem_ with Mr. Mortellaro >in the cloak of abductee self-righteousness. BTW, just what the hell is "abductee self-righteousness" anyway? Some 'new' psychological disorder that you discovered while writing a thesis for your psychology degree? Oh, I forgot, you don't have a degree in psychology. Practicing on me without a license eh? <LOL> I ask you only because it's all just a tad 'convoluted' for me. Never mind. I didn't ask for your personal opinion of me anyway, so I'm not really terribly curious about how you 'arrived there.' Solely for the edification of the List members: My "personal" problem with Mortellaro does not exist. As there is nothing "personal" in it. _Strictly_ business. If you'll take note at the archives, I always "respond" to whatever it happens to be that he is putting out publicly regarding UFO abduction or abductees that has no _proven_ basis in fact. My posts to him are _all_ a matter of public record. _Everything_ I have ever said to him, is located for inspection at the UFO UpDates archive. Go there. Read. You'll get an eyeful! For Mz. Felder: Bobbie, you are completely free to think any old twisted thing about me that you can conjure up, or that makes you feel good. There's nothing any of us can do about what anybody, (much less 'everybody') may choose to think of us personally. Just the way it is. I have learned from experience that I am the kind of person that people either love, or they curse the day I entered the world. Not too many in-betweeners with me. :) A 'true-ism' if I may: "Control" over _anything_ in Life, much less control over the thoughts of others, is all 'Maya' Bobbie. (An 'illusion') All we really need be concerned about, and responsible for, is; the quality of the energy behind our expressed thoughts. It's ok. Your 'contribution' to the thread has been logged and duly noted. By the by, do you have anything in the way of a 'useful' or 'informative' contribution to make to the current discussion? If not, maybe you want to start another thread! You can title it: "John Velez's many colored cloak of abductee self-righteousness!" Mortellaro refers to me as; the "Egotistical and Paranoid King of the abductees" to complete strangers behind my back. So I may as well have a "cloak" too! Maybe he's right! My own dad always wanted to "crown" me! <LOL> As always, really great to hear from you Bobbie. A fine contribution from you once again. ;) John Velez A.I.C. - Abduction Information Center www.spacelab.net/~jvif/default.htm email@example.com "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."
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