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Re: Psychological Trauma - Mortellaro

From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 11:24:19 EST
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 07:24:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma - Mortellaro


 >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 05:12:50 -0500
 >To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma


 >>Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 09:12:37 -0600
 >>To: UFO Updates <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >>From: Bobbie Felder <jilain@ebicom.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma

 >>>Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:01:42 -0500
 >>>To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma

 >>>>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >>>>Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 09:54:33 EST
 >>>>Subject: Re: Psychological Trauma
 >>>>To: ufoupdates@home.com

 >><snip>

 >>>My Lord man, can't you see why
 >>>I'm always jumping on you with both feet?

 >>I can't speak for Jim, but it seems pretty obvious to me why
 >>you're always jumping on him. You insult the intelligence of the
 >>rest of the List when you try to disguise your _personal_
 >>problem_ with Mr. Mortellaro in the cloak of abductee
 >>self-righteousness.

 >Well Hello again Ms. Felder,

 >This 'thread' between Mr. Mortellaro and myself is about his
 >"claim" that all of the abductees that Hopkins, Jacobs, & Mack
 >have hypnotized, collectively agree with the individual
 >researchers viewpoints on the phenomenon.

Dear All, Errol,

Actually, this thread is not at all about any claim that _all_
the abductees that Budd, John and David have hypnotised
collectively agree with the individual researchers' view points.
That is _your_ contention. My contention is that as three
groups, they have differing viewpoints, generally. You've
already been asked pointed questions about this matter in
another post. I await your response withall.

 >I contend that he doesn't know what he's talking about because
 >he has never known or interviewed enough of them to make such an
 >outrageous and unfounded statement. Not just Mortellaro,
 >_no_one_ has taken such a poll.

Wonderful then, as I have interviewed a large enough sampling of
each for my book. And of course, I don't tell you everything. I
hope you don't mind. There is no poll. Read David's book. Then
speak with his clients. Then do the same with John and Budd's
clients. A pattern will emerge. Clearly so.

Further, it is not necessary to take a poll in order to have an
opinion. Shoot, if we had to do that, we'd be Japanese doing
consensus management and bowing low. I don't do bows. Domo
arrigato, Johnny San.

 >In point of fact, because I attended meetings with literally
 >hundreds of Budd's "people/cases" for so many years, and because
 >I know _many_ of them personally, that maybe he should consider
 >my opinions on the subject. I am telling him that I have not
 >seen _any_ evidence that would uphold his claim. He has agreed
 >with me that the 'few' people he did meet, "impressed" him, with
 >the diversity of their views and thoughts on the subject.

At the meeting, yes. But not all these were regressed. Don't you
read my posts?

 >My question to you is:

 >What does your very (personal) "diagnosis" of me (See quote
 >below) have to do with the subject of this thread? "What" is
 >your "contribution" to the subject of this discussion Bobby? Is
 >it this 'personal' and 'bile tinged' comment that is based on
 >your own personal feelings toward me?

 >You write:

 >>you try to disguise your _personal_ problem_ with Mr. Mortellaro
 >>in the cloak of abductee self-righteousness.

 >BTW, just what the hell is "abductee self-righteousness" anyway?
 >Some 'new' psychological disorder that you discovered while
 >writing a thesis for your psychology degree? Oh, I forgot, you
 >don't have a degree in psychology. Practicing on me without a
 >license eh? <LOL>I ask you only because it's all just a tad
 >'convoluted' for me. Never mind. I didn't ask for your personal
 >opinion of me anyway, so I'm not really terribly curious about
 >how you 'arrived there.'

 >Solely for the edification of the List members:

 >My "personal" problem with Mortellaro does not exist. As there
 >is nothing "personal" in it. _Strictly_ business. If you'll take
 >note at the archives, I always "respond" to whatever it happens
 >to be that he is putting out publicly regarding UFO abduction or
 >abductees that has no _proven_ basis in fact. My posts to him
 >are _all_ a matter of public record. _Everything_ I have ever
 >said to him, is located for inspection at the UFO UpDates
 >archive. Go there. Read. You'll get an eyeful!

Rather an earful.

 >Snip

 >Mortellaro refers to me as; the "Egotistical and Paranoid King
 >of the abductees" to complete strangers behind my back. So I may
 >as well have a "cloak" too! Maybe he's right! My own dad always
 >wanted to "crown" me! <LOL>

I have _never_ referred to you as the "Egotistical and Paranoid
King of the J.... uh, Abductees." Never. Behind your back or
otherwise. Produce the juice. Royalty never impressed me anyway.
Divine right and all that snuff.

Actually it is personal. I've heard you say and write on this
List, that you would "welcome" any legitimate causation for this
phenom, other than alien interdiction in our lives. That you
too, are looking for an answer to the conundrum. But when I
voice the opnion that I do not have the absolute truth, you
climb on me like a monkey on a rope.

Hmmm. Not personal? I doubt that. But again, I speak my truth. I
am entitled to opinions. Which I describe as such. In this
thread as well. Read it again. _Opinion!_

That this opine is in consort with others of repute, is yet
again, a demonstration that whilst I am not royalty, I am at
least a Prince with portfolio. Muchabellie is my name. Prince is
my game. And I shall never allow lies to steal my name. Lies may
be twisted meaning. And my arms are way too short to box with
you when you do that.


Morty





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