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Re: William Cooper Dies In Gunfight - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 14:22:54 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 09:35:19 -0500
Subject: Re: William Cooper Dies In Gunfight - Velez

 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >Subject: Re: William Cooper Dies In Gunfight
 >Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:07:07 -0600

 >>Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2001 21:45:19 -0800 (PST)
 >>From: Mac Tonnies <macbot@yahoo.com>
 >>Subject: William Cooper Dies In Gunfight
 >>To: UfoUpdates <ufoupdates@home.com>

 >>Before his violent death in November, 2001, lecturer and
 >>self-proclaimed military insider William Cooper helped
 >>popularize a number of malignant myths centered on the notion of
 >>secret U.S. contact with aliens. Cooper believed
 >>extraterrestrials were involved in a quiet takeover of the
 >>world, and claimed to have seen briefing documents and photos of
 >>aliens while serving in the military. He famously attacked noted
 >>UFO personalities such as Whitley Strieber, Linda Moulton Howe
 >>and Stanton Friedman as being CIA operatives bent on keeping the
 >>truth from public knowledge. Later in his career, Cooper's
 >>worldview became increasingly oppressive and paranoid.

 >>from http://mactonnies.com/coverup.html

 >...and jeez...what _ever_ could there have been to be paranoid
 >about, then OR now? <g>.


Hi Alfred,

There is a very real difference between honest and intelligent
dissent and the lunacy (certifiable) that Cooper was responsible
for spreading around. Let me share a little story with you, if I
may, just to illustrate my point.

About four years ago Budd Hopkins, Greg Sandow and myself
drove out to New Jersey to speak at an annual conference
that is held there. It's a two + hour drive. On the way Budd
played a tape for us that was taken from his phone messaging
machine. It contained a series of long distance telephone
messages that old 'Wild Bill' Cooper had left for Budd.

Alfred, the _threats_ and the language he used to issue those
threats was enough to send Budd to the police to seek advice as
to how to handle the situation. Cooper was a certified looney.
And, as has been borne out by his shooting of this poor law
enforcement officer (in the head - twice!) a very dangerous nut
as well. I have to tell you that just sitting in the car
listening to his voice as he ranted and raved at Budd sent
chills up my spine. It was spooky to me even as a third party,
witnessing the depth of his insanity.

I know you man. I know where you are coming from with your
remark above. I happen to agree wholeheartedly with you that
there is _plenty_ to be concerned about government-wise. But you
are speaking 'out of turn' or more accurately, 'within the wrong
context' by making your comment in any thread connected to this

He was not only crazy, but he was dangerous Alfred. Maybe you
ought to express your views in a separate thread. Within the
context of this thread it only comes off as 'supportive' of this
maniac's point of view. And I'm certain that was not your

Warm regards,

John Velez

                       A.I.C. - Abduction Information Center
     "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."

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