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Re: William Cooper Killed In SWAT Raid - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:45:04 -0600
Fwd Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:30:25 -0500
Subject: Re: William Cooper Killed In SWAT Raid - Lehmberg

 >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:29:14 +0100
 >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >Subject: Re: William Cooper Killed In SWAT Raid

 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >>Subject: Re: William Cooper Killed In SWAT Raid
 >>Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:47:01 -0600

 >>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >>>Subject: Re: William Cooper Killed In SWAT Raid
 >>>Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:55:27 -0600



 >Hi Alf,

I'm not partial to "Alf", Mr. Goldstein. Alfred or Mr. Lehmberg, please.

 >To answer your question of "what made Cooper?":

 >Paranoid Schizophrenia. His imbalanced neurotransmitters made
 >his brain go /////////;l;l;=E6'?'[]=3D;][l,'=C5,, :

Very colorful... but that wasn't altogether my question, Mr.
Goldstein, forgetting for a moment that while it may be that you
could get select headshrinkers to agree with your broad brushed
contention, you're not really competent to make that call
yourself, are you? Additionally, there is stuff going on around
us that made his alleged psychosis seem attractive to more than
a few people across this nation. Denial of that "aggregate
craziness" which provides fertile ground for someone like Mr.
Cooper demonstrates a naivet=E9 on your part that I think you
later thinly accuse _me_ of.

 >I don't remember if you saw him perform live or met him
 >personally. If you did, then I fail to see how even you would
 >try to defend him.

I think you would _have_ me defend him to satisfy a personal
issue you make a little plainer, later, but I don't _defend_
him, Mr. Goldstein... I point out that there was considerable
grist for Cooper's too strident mill... I question his very
genesis -- what's in the grassroots to sustain him, why he
continues (or continued) to get the validation that he continued
to get... Not defense, Mr. Goldstein, interested speculation.

 >I just posted that if you would just look at
 >his newsletter and learn what he has done to other people you
 >would not ask that question.

What question, sir? "Why"? And what "one man did to many people"
is not the issue, and a digression. The issue is what has to
occur for someone like Cooper to achieve viability. Hitler,
already used in comparison, had a bad faith deal for Germany
with France and GB wading in to steal everything they could
"fair and square..." after the first war. It's argued that
Hitler was not so much the cause of WWII, but the rest of the
European leadership... fertile ground. You'll remember that that
identical mistake was NOT made at the conclusion of the _second_

 >I sure hope you don't harbor any
 >illusions that he died as some sort of counter cultural hero in
 >that police shootout.

Please -- but I think you would be happy (and oddly relieved
somehow) if I were... and what's up with that?

 >He was as crazed as a rabid dog and just
 >baiting the police to get into a gunfight. The crazed Cooper was
 >too cowardly to surrender and instead shot a good family man,
 >his wife, and kids. All I want to do is forget about Cooper and
 >I hope everyone else does.

Ok... then what about that guy that replaces him? Forgetting
Cooper does not provide for the end of all Coopers... Forgetting
him seems to court the unremembered history coming back to
repeat itself. Forgetting him is not the best answer in that
light. Would you agree?

 >Alf, sheepishly speaking, sometimes you just get my goat. That's
 >in plain English with a direct and profound meaning.

Ah yes. Well, sometimes when I get _really_ irritated with
someone it's because I know how right they are. That's not quite
as direct, but the English is just as plain, and a little more
profound I think.

 >You crack me up. Your positions on what is happening on this
 >planet, in the cosmos, and its relationship to other humans is
 >that most people have been manipulated by the controlled mass
 >media propaganda machinery serving those who hijacked our

Boy. I hope you'll let me write that down -- a very succinct
impact statement on my position.

 >They do not see things as do you and a handful of

It's the poetry isn't it? Me and a handful of visionaries...
that's rather insulting. Did you mean that the way it sounded? I
reject that out of hand, regardless, as an invention all your
own. It's like me painting you and a handful of your
like-minders as ethnocentric troglodytes, a condition you would
find equally objectionable and rejectable... I regret you
perceive me that way, forgetting that I won't be changing a

 >You have created your own duality that all mass
 >media are controlled together and you have kicked them all over
 >to the dark side of the fence. On the white side of the fence
 >are you and the alternative media to set the people and the
 >planet free.

You're making the call...

 >Alf, this is the information age,

That's correct, Mr. Goldstein, and I suggest you sift yours a
little less personally and a little more personably.

 >A great many prople are on the
 >internet can access just about any point of view on just about
 >every subject, except government secrets. Thousands of book
 >titles of all kinds are in print. A lot of people also look at
 >both mass media and alternative media then do something
 >miraculous, think for themselves and care for all else.

That _was_ lovely. I'm relieved to discover we have so many
people out there thinking for themselves. Really, it's a load
off my mind.

 >Just who are these hijackers of our society, in your opinon?

Or... we could just leave that alone, a moment, to examine your
implied contention that our society is not being hijacked, is on
an upward path, healthy, and not needing our worried concern.
_Have_ you been paying attention to current events?

But, who are *they*? I answered that in another thread, but
*they* are... " ...the privileged arbitrary, the unelected, and
far too many of the elected. "They," are those that have, and
having had, would keep on having despite an aggregate detriment
to the common good of "have nots." "They," are in possession of
information that would credit or be to the advantage of anyone
who knew, specifically outlining why most know not. "They" are
the secret keepers. "They" are the jealous manipulators of the
mainstream, the covetous who encourage bland employees while
they discourage critical thinkers. "They" are the ones with
hidden agendas, duplicitous plans, and secret programs. "They"
are the few willing to profit at the expense of the many. "They"
are above the law, outside reasonable ethics, and hold the many
beneath their privileged contempt...

Everyone knows what is meant by "they"; it requires no citation.
"They" are the ones having none of the concern for you that
"they" would _demand_ of you for them. That's the hijacker, in a

 >I never met John Ford. I just read a lot of things those years
 >and saw some video, etc. My question to you is: Why do the
 >courts and a lot of people in the UFO field think he has a
 >mental problem?

He very likely does... now! So would you! The point is that he
was likely not crazy... then! Ford was torpedoed, Mr. Goldstein,
for busily investigating a powerful man (subsequently a
convicted criminal) who could bear NO investigation because of
that criminal activity, and who I'd wager did not spend _one_
freaking day in jail for _his_ crimes... Your obvious
appreciation of "courts" and the veracity of the members of
political machines is abundantly descriptive of the naivet=E9 I
spoke about earlier...

 >Does that add strong fuel to your fire against
 >those "self serving entities" who have manipulated the people
 >through the mass media?

If I understand the question? In a word, yes.

 >Alf, maybe some people are gullible simply because they have not
 >learned to think the things through on a deeper level before
 >they are hooked.

I'd say likely. But then most people aren't getting solid
information up front to preclude that gullibility. And did you
know that the word "gullible" was not in the dictionary?

 >People who prey on gullible people have a well
 >developed appeal to emotions and fears that can be overpowering
 >to people who don't have a strong sense of self.

The fear, Mr. Goldstein, has to be there first. Seeds don't
sprout in infertile soil.

 >They are
 >looking for something and the emotional pull blots out reason,
 >so now they feel they belong, empowered members of something
 >that helps with their fears.

Where does the fear come from, Mr. Goldstein? The Mr. Coopers of
the world aren't making it up... they only make use of it, when
it is there... why is it there?

 >They are too gullible to see it is
 >a foolish path, one that usually ends up with its members having
 >personally suffered from its demands.

Nonsense, it works for them or they wouldn't be involved. I
don't think you're seeing the wide view on this, I think that
you're occluded with personal issues, and I don't think that you
are being sufficiently fair with me. Maybe I'm up your nose so
far you can feel little knees on your top lip, but I don't think
it requires your insult, and I don't think it justifies your
sneer. Still cracked up?

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