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Re: More Baloney Detection - Hatch

From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:01:25 -0800
Fwd Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:38:15 -0500
Subject: Re: More Baloney Detection - Hatch

 >From: Bill Hamilton <skywatcher22@space.com>
 >Date: 21 Nov 2001 08:25:06 -0800
 >To: ufoupdates@home.com
 >Subject: Re: More Baloney Detection

 >>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:13:14 -0800
 >>From: Larry Hatch <larry@larryhatch.net>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >>Subject: Re: More Baloney Detection

 >>>Source: Scientific American


 >>>More Baloney Detection

 >>>How to draw boundaries between science and pseudoscience,


 >>While Shermer put in no qualifiers here, he is apparently
 >>stating that:

 >>1) The vast majority of SETI people proceed from the null
 >>hypothesis that there is no intelligent life anywhere out there.

 >>2) The overwhelming majority of ufologists take the position
 >>that ETI do indeed exist, AND that the ETs have come here to
 >>visit us.


 >>How about a straw poll? I'll cast the first vote if
 >>nobody beats me to it:

 >>* Are there other intelligent beings elsewhere in the cosmos,
 >>perhaps within our own galaxy of billions of stars? I would vote
 >>yes with a 99% likelihood. Your vote? _________

 >Yes, with a 99.999% likelihood

 >>* Have living beings from other stars come here in the flesh
 >>(muck, protoplasm, tentacles or whatever) ? I would vote no.
 >>Seems dumb to me, see above. Your vote? _________

 >From other planets maybe, not stars. I vote yes.

 >Bill H.

Hello Bill: ( and thanks for voting! )

I meant planets orbiting other stars of course. So far votes are
3/3 for life elsewhere with high probabilities.

Its 2 to 1 against me for natural living beings from beyond
coming here in the flesh (or goo or whatever). Again, I stress
the perhaps subtle distinction between natives of some planet
way out there, and bio-engineered and/or cybernetic 'entities'
which might be sent instead.

I think Shermer's assertions were rash and simplistic. I wonder
how many SETI people feel that he is qualified to speak for them
as a group. Even if he were 'pro-UFO' I wouldn't want him
putting words in my mouth; not after that Baloney Detection
article in Scientific American .

Best wishes

- Larry Hatch

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