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Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001 - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 05:40:33 -0600
Fwd Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:09:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001 - Lehmberg

 >From: James Oberg <joberg@houston.rr.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001
 >Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:32:23 -0600

 >>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:59:28 -0800 (PST)
 >>From: Rebecca <xiannekei@yahoo.com>
 >>Subject: Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>


 >>Well, now you have some documentation. Perhaps you should do
 >>your own digging before dismissing things. I'm surprised at you.
 >>While I don't know what your research capabilities are, I can
 >>imagine that you would have access to many resources to find the
 >>data you need.


 >Hmm, let's see who needs a finger wagged at, and who's been

We might, on the other hand, generate understanding regarding
who's been duplicitous, canted, and suspect as a Posner type
apologist for a, until very recently, weakening party line.

 >Regarding Cernan's quote, thanks for the date of the
 >original citation, I presume 28 years is barely enough time to
 >verify that a newspaper clipping reflected the astronaut's true
 >opinion, especially when that attributed opinion was 'useful' as

That's bad debating technique to be squirming obstinately
against the factual. There is evidence that would convict at a
murder trial. The Cernan expression as recorded is accurate or
not. I suspect it is accurate. This abundantly justifies your
discomfiture as evidenced by the squirm.

 >Have we established that EVERY ONE of us on this
 >discussion is in agreement that the newspaper article was an
 >accurate reflection of what Cernan really said or meant?

Ahh! The inevitable leap to the absurd! Our 'agreement' with the
veracity of 'articles' is not the issue and is not required. Is
the expression in question accurate in spirit? No need to
attempt impossible agreement on the absurd.

 >Just trying to establish the consensus here.

No you're not, sir! You're here to fan the bottom, complicate
the issue, and distract from the facts, whatever the hell
_those_ things are. No, I don't think consensus is quite the
priority with you that you would like us (uh... me!) to think.

 >Second, I note that NOBODY has touched the X-15 Bob White
 >'testimony' fraud that my investigation on original cited
 >sources uncovered, and details of which I posted recently?

Conceded? Sometimes there actually _is_ a temperature inversion
Mr. Oberg... next!

 >Do we
 >presume from this that 'silence implies consent' and that
 >everybody here is agreeable to posting the faked version of his
 >actual description of the small, tumbling, paper-shaped
 >doohingee he spotted outside his window? Is that the consensus,
 >and if not, what is anybody going to DO about it (right, other
 >people's mistakes are not our responsibility to correct -- you
 >can sense this attitude from some smarmy posts about
 >'how-dare-he?' question useful propaganda bites, whether
 >accurate or not.

I wouldn't get too excited about it, Mr. Oberg. A lot of the
broadbrushed critical paint sticks to you, you front for a
suspect worldview... forgetting that I might front for an
ignorant one... regardless, I would _do_ something about my
ignorance, sir.

 >Third, here's another piece of original research on another
 >'famous' pro-UFO quote from Wernher von Braun. Your reaction (or
 >lack of reaction) will be interesting.

You're using the convenient microcosm to prove the macrocosm,
Mr. Oberg. You do that, a lot. In the aggregate, you know that
the preponderance of quality evidence demonstrates a clear need
for the serious, passionate, and conscientious, but broadbased
(of course, public)... scientific investigation of UFOs. Your
agenda is _no_ investigation. You denounce, confuse, and
repudiate investigation, sir. Your reputation precedes you.

You may be right about Werner, yet! But, so? Your explanation
does not scale up even to the little that has been found out in
50 years of nebulous investigation...

Point a finger at Rebecca and feel three waggle ominously back
at yourself... (and mine point back with some pride, if you were

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