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Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001 - Gates

From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:16:49 EST
Fwd Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:35:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001 - Gates

 >From: James Oberg <joberg@houston.rr.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001
 >Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:32:23 -0600

 >>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:59:28 -0800 (PST)
 >>From: Rebecca <xiannekei@yahoo.com>
 >>Subject: Re: Filer's Files #47 - 2001
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>


 >>Well, now you have some documentation. Perhaps you should do
 >>your own digging before dismissing things. I'm surprised at you.
 >>While I don't know what your research capabilities are, I can
 >>imagine that you would have access to many resources to find the
 >>data you need.


 >Hmm, let's see who needs a finger wagged at, and who's been
 >lazy. Regarding Cernan's quote, thanks for the date of the
 >original citation, I presume 28 years is barely enough time to
 >verify that a newspaper clipping reflected the astronaut's true
 >opinion, especially when that attributed opinion was 'useful' as
 >propaganda. Have we established that EVERY ONE of us on this

So if it is a "direct quote" of Cernan and Cernan has not denied
it in 28 years, nor disavowed it, does it still count as useful
propaganda? What this sounds like is any potential 'Pro-UFO
quote' is considered useful propaganda. Of course to the
'debunking' crowd, any quote by Phil Klass, Menzel and Oberg
could also be considered useful propaganda.


 >Second, I note that NOBODY has touched the X-15 Bob White
 >'testimony' fraud that my investigation on original cited

So, what does that have to do with the subject matter of the
email on Cernan??

 From everything I have seen and read, Jim screwed up, and won't
admit that he screwed up. Instead of saying "Houston, we have a
problem....." using this logic, the Astronauts should have said
something like "Well what about that problem with such and such
back in 1958..."

As to the alleged Von Braun quote, I couldn't care less. I don't
use the quote, and would be suspicious of any quotes both pro
and con on the Internet so it means nothing to me. Naturally if
it was a debunking quote, whether it was false or not, that
wouldn't matter to the debunking crowd... after all it can't be
so therefore it isn't.....



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