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Re: Gordon Cooper Talks UFOs With Defense

From: Jan Aldrich <project1947@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:52:17 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 15:22:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Gordon Cooper Talks UFOs With Defense


 >From: James Oberg <joberg@houston.rr.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: Gordon Cooper Talks UFOs With Defense Secretary
 >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:08:41 -0600

 >>From: Grant Cameron <sqquishy@altavista.com>
 >>Date: 27 Nov 2001 19:03:55 -0800
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Subject: Gordon Cooper Talks UFOs With Defense Secretary

 >>>The identity of the astronaut is Gordon Cooper.

 >I believe Grant must be correct on this. Cooper's story about
 >the film he inspected at Edwards AFB in May 1957 is in his book
 >'Leap of Faith' in some detail. He reports that the object
 >landed in front of the witnesses.

 >The account of every other person involved with that incident --
 >the two primary witnesses, the officer who did the blue book
 >interviews (Lt. Hubert Davis), the actual report filed with Blue
 >Book (which included the film), the account of the case
 >described by James McDonald before Congress in 1968 -- describe
 >only a light drifting past the observers, with no landing. One
 >witness, plus Davis, stated unequivocably that Cooper had no
 >connection with the sighting at all, was not in the chain of
 >command, and in fact was never noticed by them. I have also
 >talked with the engineer who was Cooper's boss during this
 >interval.

 >As regards this discrepancy between Cooper's version and
 >everybody else's, I offer no explanation.

 >My 1983-1984 investigation of this story is at:

 >http://www.zip.com.au/~psmith/cooper.html

 >and I'd be happy to receive comments on-line or off-line.

 >My report on Cooper's book's story about a Gemini space camera and secret
 >photos of Area-51 is at:

http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/phenomena/cooper_questioned_000929.html

 >and may provide some insight into the 1957 incident versions
 >discrepancies.

I have read the article which mentions Cooper's 1951 UFO. It
does not state the duration and dates of Cooper's tour in
Europe. However, there is this comment:

Other veterans of Cooper's unit concurred. "I was a pilot and
weather officer at Neubiberg 1948 thru 1951, but I can't recall
any reports of these sightings," wrote one.

I don't know about anything in 1951, but in 1948 there was
indeed a UFO sighting at Newbiberg.

See:

http://www.project1947.com/fig/jtt.htm

First, USAFE Intelligence stated that they received recurring
reports of flying saucers. Newspapers throughout Europe had
reported on the Neubiberg Air Base incident referred to in the
cable:

  On October 29, 1948, newspapers throughout Europe reported this
  sighting near Munich:


"Five U. S. Air Force pilots observed a mysterious, silvery
object similar in appearance to a so-called flying saucer
hanging high over Neubiberg Air Base in Bavaria.  The object
disappeared at a terrific speed after having remained over the
air base more than 30 minutes. A similar object had been seen
days before by another group of American pilots."


The above quote is from Hammet's "Flying Saucers Come to Europe"
which apparently is no longer on the web. However, I believe I
have a copy here and will attempt to post it. A former "Top
Secret" report from USAF, Europe does refer to UFO reports in
Germany and at Neubiberg in 1948. This doesn't match Cooper's
account. It has been my experience that people have difficulty
remembering dates unless there is a significant event around
that time to which one may refer.

Further comments:

Unit histories are unreliable for determination if UFOs were
reported by certain military organizations. I have consulted
hundreds of such histories, only a small percentage of these
histories mention UFO cases, even when the UFO sightings by a
particular unit made national headline. Ditto US Navy ships
logs.

I have copies of the original 1952 TWX's from the aircraft
carrier USS Philippine Sea and information from the ship's
operations officer that there were additional sightings
afterwards. These additional sightings were reportedly made when
the ship was operating with the USS Missouri. However, on
consulting the deck logs of the both the Philippine Sea and the
Missouri no mention was found of any UFO sightings. The earlier
Philippine Sea report while in Project Blue Book also is not
mentioned in the ship's log. Nor were there any mention in the
logs of other ships in both the task forces. (Out of 72 dates
and ships, I had reference to UFO reports, only two were
mentioned in ships' logs. The USS Chippola in 1947, and the
Greenwood off of Key West in 1952.) There were no long entries
for Operation Mainbrace although there were UFO reports made
during the exercise.

Lack of comments about UFO incidents in unit histories or ship's
logs does not establish anything about the existence of such
reports.

Jan Aldrich








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