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Re: Refuting Fermi - Friedman

From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:56:55 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 16:43:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Refuting Fermi - Friedman

 >From: Colm Kelleher - NIDS <nids@anv.net>
 >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Refuting Fermi
 >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:39:27 -0800

 >The enclosed article by John Alexander may be of interest to
 >your readership. It was recently posted to the What's New
 >section of the NIDS web site (http://www.nidsci.org)

 >Colm Kelleher


 >Refuting Fermi: No Evidence for Extraterrestrial Life?
 >By: John B. Alexander

 >In a recent article Seth Shostak drew attention what has become
 >known as the Fermi Paradox. Typically discussants raise the
 >famous off-hand luncheon comment by Enrico Fermi, "Where is
 >everybody?" when dismissing the existence of intelligent
 >extraterrestrial life. The invocation of such a distinguished
 >figure is polemic and used to make the position academically

 >In the ranks of scientific loyalists there is a constant refrain
 >pertaining to the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial
 >life. Best phrased by Carl Sagan, known for his "billions and
 >billions" quotation in developing the hypothesis that we share
 >the universe with other forms of intelligence, he added "but
 >there is not one shred of evidence to support it." Really?
 >Actually, the book he co-edited with Thornton Page, UFOS: A
 >Scientific Debate, refutes his own statement. The deductive
 >error is conflation of lack of evidence with proof beyond a
 >reasonable doubt.

 >Edward Condon fostered this misconstruction in his fatally
 >flawed and internally inconsistent report on UFOs. Despite the
 >widely published conclusions, his report too contained
 >substantial evidence supporting the physical existence of these
 >objects. The error is the a priori assumption that UFOs cannot
 >exist therefore no evidence to the contrary will be considered,
 >never mind accepted. Few scientists would allow such faulty
 >logic to prevail in their own field of expertise. Yet, in the
 >emotionally laden field of UFOs, scientists let Condon stand
 >uncorrected and disregarding pertinent facts has become the
 >accepted norm.

 >The undeniable reality is that there are a substantial number of
 >multi-sensor UFO cases backed by thousands of credible
 >witnesses. In the physical domain there are many photos, videos,
 >radar tracking, satellite sensor reports, landing traces
 >including depressions and anomalous residual radiation,
 >electromagnetic interference, and confirmed physiological
 >effects. Personal observations have been made both day and
 >night, often under excellent visibility with some at close
 >range. Included are reports from multiple independent witnesses
 >to the same event. Psychological testing of some observers has
 >confirmed their mentally competence. Why is none of this
 >considered evidence?

 >There are over 3000 cases reported by pilots, some of which
 >include interference with flight controls. On numerous
 >occasions air traffic controllers and other radar operators have
 >noted unexplained objects on their scopes. So too have several
 >astronomers and other competent scientists reported their
 >personal observations. Many military officials from several
 >countries have confirmed multi-sensor observations of UFOs. The
 >most senior air defense officers of Russia, Brazil, Belgium and
 >recently a former Chief of Naval Operations in Chile all have
 >stated that UFOs are real. These cases and comments are a
 >miniscule fraction of the total body of evidence.

 >Of course they do not constitute irrefutable proof. However, to
 >state there is no evidence suggestive of intelligent
 >extraterrestrial life simply belies the facts. Decades in
 >duration and global in nature, there are too many hard sensor
 >data-points and millions of eyewitnesses to ignore. We certainly
 >can debate the significance of specific data and question
 >whether or not it establishes a causal relationship between the
 >observations and extraterrestrial life. However, it is only
 >through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence

I am in full agreement with John having discussed the "Fermi
Paradox" in my 2001 MUFON paper "Flying Saucers and the Cosmic
Neighborhood". It should be noted that Fermi's comment came
after a discussion that strongly suggested that a civilization
could colonize the galaxy in a few million years.

He may have asked the question as a teaching tool, expecting
colleagues to suggest that they may have been visiting and
quarantining us, or making sure we couldn't take our brand of
friendship out there. After all, considering that Zeta l and
Zeta 2 Reticuli are about a billion years older than the sun and
less than a light year apart,and only 37 light years away, they
may have long ago colonized the neighborhood or set us up as a
colony, a game preserve, a prision for banishment of bad boys
and girls, etc. As I noted in the paper, there could have been
dozens of civilizations here over the past billion years about
which we know nothing. Schliemann had to dig down 75 feet to
find Troy from just a few thousand years ago. How many
civilizations here have been destroyed by asteroids, comets,
wars, continental upheavals, volcanos, etc etc.?

My paper also points out the fallacy of using the Drake equation
as a means of determining how many civilizations are out there.

The worst aspects of such SETI cultists as Shostak, Drake,
Tartar, Sagan are their failure to examine both the UFO evidence
and the astronautics data about interstellar travel. Their
ignorance hasn't stood in the way of their totally baseless
proclamations about both matters. Check their references and you
begin to understand why I think SETI stands for Silly Effort To

My paper is in the 2001 MUFON Conference Proceedings and is also
available as a separate item from UFORI, POB 958, Houlton, ME
04730-0958. Only $4.00 including S and H.

Stan Friedman

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